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Anyone see that 'totally unbiased' BBC question time last night? How can they (the beeb) get away with it?
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Can't vote for a guy who shafted his own brother to get the top job. Whatever he has said or done since just can't be trusted in my book.
Could you imagine Ed at summit trying to play hard ball with Putin,or the European leaders? My Tax and N.I contributions will sky rocket as well if he gets in.
I won't be voting for Labour this time around (always have previously).
Could you imagine Ed at summit trying to play hard ball with Putin,or the European leaders? My Tax and N.I contributions will sky rocket as well if he gets in.
I won't be voting for Labour this time around (always have previously).
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awwwwwww the torys are such a power house in europe what did they tell our priminister stop moaning or leave
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How anybody can contemplate voting for labour is beyond me after the mess they made of the economy the last time.
Every Labour government since the war has left the economy in a worse state than they found it, the last time in '97 they inherited a budget that was more or less balanced, Brown then went on a reckless spending spree and by the time they lost the 2010 election the deficit was almost £200b.
And who was advising Brown during those spend, spend, spend years? yes Miliband and Balls. It's quite unbelievable that the British public could soon vote these two in as Prime Minister and Chancellor respectively.
The Tory and Lib Dem coalition has done a good job in halving this deficit, it will be an absolute disaster if Labour were to be let anywhere near the purse strings of this country.
Five years ago the Labour governments legacy was a note stating 'there's no money left' today the new government will inherit an economy well on the road to recovery.
Every Labour government since the war has left the economy in a worse state than they found it, the last time in '97 they inherited a budget that was more or less balanced, Brown then went on a reckless spending spree and by the time they lost the 2010 election the deficit was almost £200b.
And who was advising Brown during those spend, spend, spend years? yes Miliband and Balls. It's quite unbelievable that the British public could soon vote these two in as Prime Minister and Chancellor respectively.
The Tory and Lib Dem coalition has done a good job in halving this deficit, it will be an absolute disaster if Labour were to be let anywhere near the purse strings of this country.
Five years ago the Labour governments legacy was a note stating 'there's no money left' today the new government will inherit an economy well on the road to recovery.
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Complete and utter hogwash, you are just spouting the lies from Cameron Clegg etc. The coalition government inherited a growing economy in 2010. Five consecutive quarters of growth, second quarter of 2010 saw growth at 0.7%, more then double the 0.3% that we saw announced just a few weeks ago. AND the economy is NOW slowing down again; 0.8 third quarter of 2014, 0.6% fourth quarter and then a pitiful 0.3% for the first three months of 2015.alftupper wrote:How anybody can contemplate voting for labour is beyond me after the mess they made of the economy the last time.
Every Labour government since the war has left the economy in a worse state than they found it, the last time in '97 they inherited a budget that was more or less balanced, Brown then went on a reckless spending spree and by the time they lost the 2010 election the deficit was almost £200b.
And who was advising Brown during those spend, spend, spend years? yes Miliband and Balls. It's quite unbelievable that the British public could soon vote these two in as Prime Minister and Chancellor respectively.
The Tory and Lib Dem coalition has done a good job in halving this deficit, it will be an absolute disaster if Labour were to be let anywhere near the purse strings of this country.
Five years ago the Labour governments legacy was a note stating 'there's no money left' today the new government will inherit an economy well on the road to recovery.
As for the national debt and deficit, prior to the financial crisis CAUSED BY TORY'S MATES, THE BANKERS both the debt and the deficit were lower than what the Labour government inherited from John Major in 1997. And both were consistently lower during the Blair/Brown years than under Thatcher or major.
To counter the collapse in the private sector CAUSED BY THE BANKERS, the then chancellor Alistair Darling introduced sensible Keynesian policies, borrowing to invest, to stop the economy crashing completely. And it was working, hence the economic growth in 2009 and the beginning of 2010.
What then happened was Osbourn's austerity, which sent the economy back into recession. Their cuts had nothing to do with the debt, deficit or indeed the economy. It was simply the Tories doing what they always, bashing the poor and the most vulnerable, cutting back the state, especially local government which they hate and giving tax breaks and cuts to their pals.
Where I will give Cameron and Osbourn credit is for convincing a gullible part of the electorate that the crash was caused by Labour. And, that the government debt and deficit is somehow the most important problem that the UK has to deal with, it is not. Much more urgent is the growing personal debt, (what growth we have seen recently is on credit cards, housing equity and debt. All unsustainable) skill shortages, a low wage economy (which is the real reason why the benefit bill continues to soar, low paid staff working for the big four supermarkets claim £9 billion in benefits every year for example) and a huge balance of trade deficit.
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Oh yes I forgot to say, just prior to the financial crash Osbourn committed a Tory Government to matching labour's spending plans for the first couple of years after the 2010 election. So clearly he didn't think Labour were overspending then did he?
And in 2006 Osbourn on a visit to Dublin extoled the virtues of the then Celtic Tiger (the Irish economy) and called for the UK to relax the financial regulations on the City of London in the same way that the Irish Republic government had.
The one charge that you can lay on Brown is that he continued the light regulatory structure started by the Thatcher and Major governments. But the Tories would have been even worse as Osbourn confirmed in Dublin
And in 2006 Osbourn on a visit to Dublin extoled the virtues of the then Celtic Tiger (the Irish economy) and called for the UK to relax the financial regulations on the City of London in the same way that the Irish Republic government had.
The one charge that you can lay on Brown is that he continued the light regulatory structure started by the Thatcher and Major governments. But the Tories would have been even worse as Osbourn confirmed in Dublin
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Post of the year. :clap: :clap:Aid wrote:Complete and utter hogwash, you are just spouting the lies from Cameron Clegg etc. The coalition government inherited a growing economy in 2010. Five consecutive quarters of growth, second quarter of 2010 saw growth at 0.7%, more then double the 0.3% that we saw announced just a few weeks ago. AND the economy is NOW slowing down again; 0.8 third quarter of 2014, 0.6% fourth quarter and then a pitiful 0.3% for the first three months of 2015.alftupper wrote:How anybody can contemplate voting for labour is beyond me after the mess they made of the economy the last time.
Every Labour government since the war has left the economy in a worse state than they found it, the last time in '97 they inherited a budget that was more or less balanced, Brown then went on a reckless spending spree and by the time they lost the 2010 election the deficit was almost £200b.
And who was advising Brown during those spend, spend, spend years? yes Miliband and Balls. It's quite unbelievable that the British public could soon vote these two in as Prime Minister and Chancellor respectively.
The Tory and Lib Dem coalition has done a good job in halving this deficit, it will be an absolute disaster if Labour were to be let anywhere near the purse strings of this country.
Five years ago the Labour governments legacy was a note stating 'there's no money left' today the new government will inherit an economy well on the road to recovery.
As for the national debt and deficit, prior to the financial crisis CAUSED BY TORY'S MATES, THE BANKERS both the debt and the deficit were lower than what the Labour government inherited from John Major in 1997. And both were consistently lower during the Blair/Brown years than under Thatcher or major.
To counter the collapse in the private sector CAUSED BY THE BANKERS, the then chancellor Alistair Darling introduced sensible Keynesian policies, borrowing to invest, to stop the economy crashing completely. And it was working, hence the economic growth in 2009 and the beginning of 2010.
What then happened was Osbourn's austerity, which sent the economy back into recession. Their cuts had nothing to do with the debt, deficit or indeed the economy. It was simply the Tories doing what they always, bashing the poor and the most vulnerable, cutting back the state, especially local government which they hate and giving tax breaks and cuts to their pals.
Where I will give Cameron and Osbourn credit is for convincing a gullible part of the electorate that the crash was caused by Labour. And, that the government debt and deficit is somehow the most important problem that the UK has to deal with, it is not. Much more urgent is the growing personal debt, (what growth we have seen recently is on credit cards, housing equity and debt. All unsustainable) skill shortages, a low wage economy (which is the real reason why the benefit bill continues to soar, low paid staff working for the big four supermarkets claim £9 billion in benefits every year for example) and a huge balance of trade deficit.
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It's looking like a good result for Britain with a probable Tory majority government to carry on the good work of the last 5 years.
I see the money and financial markets have breathed a sigh of relief with the pound surging and the ftse up 2% on early trading. Thank goodness Labour will not be allowed to stall the steady growth and deficit reduction and possibly wreck the economy again.
Ed Balls the biggest casualty so far maybe a position as FD at the Tigers awaits!
I see the money and financial markets have breathed a sigh of relief with the pound surging and the ftse up 2% on early trading. Thank goodness Labour will not be allowed to stall the steady growth and deficit reduction and possibly wreck the economy again.
Ed Balls the biggest casualty so far maybe a position as FD at the Tigers awaits!
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Labour are paying the price for having a total wet lettuce leading them. End of
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I agree he has a complete lack of charisma a complete bullet in the foot moment when the trade union kingmakers decided to back him for leader.
But I think the British public were frightened more by his policies and record than his geek personality.
This is the labour party that told us 'no more boom bust' then bust our economy, the party that 'sent out search parties' to encourage even more immigrants to flood this country, the party that sold off our gold reserves at knock down prices, the party that robbed your pension pot of tax relief, the party that saddled us with massive on going PFI debt because of ill judged policy, the list goes on and on.
But I think the British public were frightened more by his policies and record than his geek personality.
This is the labour party that told us 'no more boom bust' then bust our economy, the party that 'sent out search parties' to encourage even more immigrants to flood this country, the party that sold off our gold reserves at knock down prices, the party that robbed your pension pot of tax relief, the party that saddled us with massive on going PFI debt because of ill judged policy, the list goes on and on.
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You really are a wally, LABOUR DID NOT BUST THE ECONOMY the bankers did! Sadly enough of the residents of England are gullible or stupid enough (you can choose which category you fall in yourself) to believe the Tory lies. And Labour under the two Eds failed to take on the Tory lies and defend their record on the economy. Really do not understand why they did that and it cost them dear yesterday. However the really happy bunnies will be Sturgeon and Salmond who for all their protestations will be delighted to see a Tory government continuing with their austerity polices as that will be the best way fro them achieving their goal of Scottish Independence.alftupper wrote:I agree he has a complete lack of charisma a complete bullet in the foot moment when the trade union kingmakers decided to back him for leader.
But I think the British public were frightened more by his policies and record than his geek personality.
This is the labour party that told us 'no more boom bust' then bust our economy, the party that 'sent out search parties' to encourage even more immigrants to flood this country, the party that sold off our gold reserves at knock down prices, the party that robbed your pension pot of tax relief, the party that saddled us with massive on going PFI debt because of ill judged policy, the list goes on and on.
And. by the way PFI, was a Tory policy carried on by Labour>
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are you a Labour activist?Aid wrote:You really are a wally, LABOUR DID NOT BUST THE ECONOMY the bankers did! Sadly enough of the residents of England are gullible or stupid enough (you can choose which category you fall in yourself) to believe the Tory lies. And Labour under the two Eds failed to take on the Tory lies and defend their record on the economy. Really do not understand why they did that and it cost them dear yesterday. However the really happy bunnies will be Sturgeon and Salmond who for all their protestations will be delighted to see a Tory government continuing with their austerity polices as that will be the best way fro them achieving their goal of Scottish Independence.alftupper wrote:I agree he has a complete lack of charisma a complete bullet in the foot moment when the trade union kingmakers decided to back him for leader.
But I think the British public were frightened more by his policies and record than his geek personality.
This is the labour party that told us 'no more boom bust' then bust our economy, the party that 'sent out search parties' to encourage even more immigrants to flood this country, the party that sold off our gold reserves at knock down prices, the party that robbed your pension pot of tax relief, the party that saddled us with massive on going PFI debt because of ill judged policy, the list goes on and on.
And. by the way PFI, was a Tory policy carried on by Labour>
during my adult life I have voted for all three tradition major parties and have cast my vote based on their record and party manifestos. I don't vote on genetically passed down dogma which once again is illustrated as being alive and kicking in the Castleford, Normanton and Pontefract seat by the election of the Labour candidate by a whopping 15k vote majority.
Have you ever voted for any other party I wonder?
Also if I could add by resorting to inarticulate name calling you not only lost the argument but have been reported to the moderators for breaking the AUP.
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ye well my dad will batter your dad, so there!alftupper wrote:are you a Labour activist?Aid wrote:You really are a wally, LABOUR DID NOT BUST THE ECONOMY the bankers did! Sadly enough of the residents of England are gullible or stupid enough (you can choose which category you fall in yourself) to believe the Tory lies. And Labour under the two Eds failed to take on the Tory lies and defend their record on the economy. Really do not understand why they did that and it cost them dear yesterday. However the really happy bunnies will be Sturgeon and Salmond who for all their protestations will be delighted to see a Tory government continuing with their austerity polices as that will be the best way fro them achieving their goal of Scottish Independence.alftupper wrote:I agree he has a complete lack of charisma a complete bullet in the foot moment when the trade union kingmakers decided to back him for leader.
But I think the British public were frightened more by his policies and record than his geek personality.
This is the labour party that told us 'no more boom bust' then bust our economy, the party that 'sent out search parties' to encourage even more immigrants to flood this country, the party that sold off our gold reserves at knock down prices, the party that robbed your pension pot of tax relief, the party that saddled us with massive on going PFI debt because of ill judged policy, the list goes on and on.
And. by the way PFI, was a Tory policy carried on by Labour>
during my adult life I have voted for all three tradition major parties and have cast my vote based on their record and party manifestos. I don't vote on genetically passed down dogma which once again is illustrated as being alive and kicking in the Castleford, Normanton and Pontefract seat by the election of the Labour candidate by a whopping 15k vote majority.
Have you ever voted for any other party I wonder?
Also if I could add by resorting to inarticulate name calling you not only lost the argument but have been reported to the moderators for breaking the AUP.
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next labour leader -andy burnham -with yvett copper is deputy.well thats were my vote is going been a member of labour party since 1992
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I like Burnham but can't see him challenging for the PM in 5 years time, I think he's viewed as a bit of a pushover and this time around Labour provided no realistic opposition at all. Unable to fob off accusations of oversepending and causing the financial crisis, even though it was patently and obviously a lie. I fear it would be more of the same with Burnham.
Could do worse than going with Cooper? Although I'm not sure how electable she is and being married to Ed Balls may not help.
Chukka? The hesitancy would have to be about whether we can see a black leader getting votes considering 4m people voted ukip? It shouldn't matter about skin colour but for some it may do. Are those people racist or xenophobic or both?
Jarvis? As a time served soldier in Iraq/Afghanistan would that compromise Muslim votes?
It's a huge decision and one that needs very careful consideration.
Could do worse than going with Cooper? Although I'm not sure how electable she is and being married to Ed Balls may not help.
Chukka? The hesitancy would have to be about whether we can see a black leader getting votes considering 4m people voted ukip? It shouldn't matter about skin colour but for some it may do. Are those people racist or xenophobic or both?
Jarvis? As a time served soldier in Iraq/Afghanistan would that compromise Muslim votes?
It's a huge decision and one that needs very careful consideration.
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gutted that dan is not standing - #-o #-o #-oSigon wrote:
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Ditto !!! :-&onetiger wrote:gutted that dan is not standing - #-o #-o #-oSigon wrote:
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one who i dont want is that tristran hunt -god he looks like a tory talks like one .dont have a clue who would make best leader now as one minute its andy burnham -then i wanted dan jarvis will just have to watch which one put over the best case but not hunt
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