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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Aid » 29 Jun 2017, 23:40

alftupper wrote:Corbin sacks 3 of his front benchers for voting against party policy. This from a man who's defied his part whip hundreds of times over three decades, what a hypocrite

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You are playing the man not the ball there - I rubbished, nay, destroyed your economically illiterate statement about Gordan Brown wrecking the economy and you ignore it. Instead you make an infantile comment about Jeremy Corbyn.
You are a bit of a political pussycat aren't you? - lots of gob but no substance, and definitely a complete ignoramus when it comes to even schoolboy level economics!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 30 Jun 2017, 01:12

So says the man who ignores the fact that Gordon Brown sold off huge gold reserves for a song to prop up the huge Blair years spending spree and left nothing to fend off the banking crisis and effevtively left that "nowt left"note on 11 Downing Street !

I'm not saying that Tories are much better but as soon as we all realise that we are now in the death throes of facing up to this country becoming unsustainable in what we are spending and becoming poorer for it choose which political mast you have nailed your flag to, I would advise you brace yourselves for some very nasty years of misery. Sorry to be the bearer of doom and gloom but I bet you are all feeling an ill wind of chill approaching ! It's going to be inevitable ! There is no magic money tree and no magic money wand either

We are where we are from the last 25 years of government incompetence !

We are gong to need to huddle and work together as at the moment we are tearing ourselves apart from indecision and no direction from any political party.

Common Sense must prevail - you can't spend what you haven't got as it will all end in heartache especially for our kids !

Dead easy to be selfish and borrow our way out in the short term and pass it on to our kids Mr. Corbyn !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by onetiger » 30 Jun 2017, 01:33

just say this no money for nurses/police/fire fighters
but 1.3 billion for dup ten votes ..so the torys found the money tree when its there to help
them stay in power.

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Post by WF10 » 30 Jun 2017, 07:06

We've had 7 years of it.
Teachers leaving the profession in droves.
Schools begging parents for additional funding.
Hospitals critically underfunded to the point where people are left on trolleys in the corridor.
Coppers being made redundant.
Number of army personnel being reduced.
Dozens of fire stations closed and 10,000 firemen losing their jobs.
Local libraries shut down.
Increasing numbers using food banks.
Millions of children growing up in poverty.
Etc etc

It's a joke and the longest recovery from a recession ever recorded.

'Nasty years of misery' indeed.
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Post by Aid » 30 Jun 2017, 08:11

CasRus wrote:So says the man who ignores the fact that Gordon Brown sold off huge gold reserves for a song to prop up the huge Blair years spending spree and left nothing to fend off the banking crisis and effevtively left that "nowt left"note on 11 Downing Street !

I'm not saying that Tories are much better but as soon as we all realise that we are now in the death throes of facing up to this country becoming unsustainable in what we are spending and becoming poorer for it choose which political mast you have nailed your flag to, I would advise you brace yourselves for some very nasty years of misery. Sorry to be the bearer of doom and gloom but I bet you are all feeling an ill wind of chill approaching ! It's going to be inevitable ! There is no magic money tree and no magic money wand either

We are where we are from the last 25 years of government incompetence !

We are gong to need to huddle and work together as at the moment we are tearing ourselves apart from indecision and no direction from any political party.

Common Sense must prevail - you can't spend what you haven't got as it will all end in heartache especially for our kids !

Dead easy to be selfish and borrow our way out in the short term and pass it on to our kids Mr. Corbyn !
As I said I did NOT support the econoomic policices of the Blair/Brown years.BUT it is simply untrue to say that they overspent. Natinal debt was lower at the start of the banking crisis than it was when Bllair won power - FACT! And before the banking crash the then Shadow Chancellor, George Osborne, had committed the Conservative Party to maintaining Labours sending plans if they, the Conservatives won the General election. It is simply a massive lie to say that that had overspent because thats what they always do. As i explained in my previous post after the banking crisis Labour spend to protect the econony after the crash , Withut that spensd the recession would have been a lot worse,
What happened after the 2010 General Election, whilst Labour were busy fighting internal battles over its leadership, the Tories and Nick Clegg went around spreading the lis that the economic crash was all Labour's fault beacuse of their overspend, which is blatently nonsense - thee ecnomic crsh was caused by the failutre of the banking system and it started in the US not 10 Downing street. As with any big lie if you say it often enough and loud enough a large number of people accept it as a fact and that is the case with who's fault the economic crash was. And it seems thare are still dumb people around who still believe those Eory lies.
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Post by WF10 » 30 Jun 2017, 08:21

Quite right Aid.

I've said all this before but because they haven't read it in the Daily Mail they don't believe it.
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Post by CasRus » 30 Jun 2017, 09:49

Yes well like I said, these past years of austerity will feel like a walk in the park compared to what's about to hit this country be it Labour or Tory in power - there's no way out of this country of becoming poorer so brace yourselves as this is going back to life in the 50s - we will be taxed to death to keep services running and no money left to enjoy anything and business will crumble into dust when money disappears - have you not been listening to the veiled uttering a of the Bank of England recently - lower borrowing rates will end sooner rather than later, banks being asked to be stringent on lending ! They already know what's coming !

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Post by CasRus » 30 Jun 2017, 11:15

Just to follow up and let you all know something you may not be aware of regarding the banks - following is a friend of mine who is "in the know" and is urging people to get out of normal money and into bitcoin to protect your savings which I am already hedging into more and more myself - here is what he sent me last week on that particular day:-
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Click this link and watch in real time as paper based money leaves the corrupt and bankrupt banking system and goes into bitcoin http://fiatleak.com/

In the last 3 hours nearly $9million has gone out of the banking system and into bitcoin.
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the value of money after all this quantitive easing these past few years is about to come home to roost and will end up like pre war Germany where they were wheelbarrowing wads of paper money to buy a loaf of bread - same is currently happening in Venezuela.

I'm embarking on an ambitious bitcoin mining program next week and my friend is already making £1200 a month after investing £3K earlier this year as bitcoin is accelerating in value week in week out.

Coming back to other issues I am not about bashing Labour - Both Tory and Labour are both incompetant in their separate ways - its whether you want to spend your way out of the current mess and leave it all to the kids to suffer or try to be careful and stage manage for longer endurance - it is a conundrum for most people to get their heads around but make no mistake an ill wind is about to hit very hard !

it might be good to set up a group on how to huddle together and protect the best way we can as a community as I can see anarchy on the horizon - sticking together and helping each other in these times might be worth considering irrespective of political persuasion - but can still have a banter about it ...!!

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Post by WF10 » 30 Jun 2017, 12:22

I've looked into these Bitcoins before and ended up with loads of questions, such as:

How are they 'worth' anything? What sort of substance is behind these 'currencies'?
Who "buys" them off you when you want to sell them?
Isn't the idea that there's a finite amount and they're not planning on 'making' any more?

From what I gather you 'mine' them by getting your computer/server to run and solve complicated maths equations - once they are all solved they are all gone. So - to what end?
What is done with these calculations? How are they of any worth to anyone?

Isn't this like all them tech shares and lastminute.com? i.e. A rip so the rich get richer?

And how do you realise that in sterling? And has your mate done it?

Seems dubious to me http://uk.businessinsider.com/economist ... ncy-2017-2
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Post by Aid » 30 Jun 2017, 13:38

CasRus wrote:Yes well like I said, these past years of austerity will feel like a walk in the park compared to what's about to hit this country be it Labour or Tory in power - there's no way out of this country of becoming poorer so brace yourselves as this is going back to life in the 50s - we will be taxed to death to keep services running and no money left to enjoy anything and business will crumble into dust when money disappears - have you not been listening to the veiled uttering a of the Bank of England recently - lower borrowing rates will end sooner rather than later, banks being asked to be stringent on lending ! They already know what's coming !
The Bank of Englands recent tightening of banks lending is simply a refersal of the the decision they made after the referendum last year when they wanted to pump a bit of money into the economy.
However you are right in that the British economy is in the cack; personal debt levels are nearly back to the perilous levels before the banking crisis which was what made our economy so weak, hence the financial crisis.
Figures just out show that as a nation we are saving less. People are dipping into their savings to pay for basics. Car financing, (personal contract plans now a account for 90% of of new car sales) credit carde spending, payday loans banks loans etc etc are booming. And it is all unsustainable. The boom will become a bust, it always does.
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Post by WF10 » 30 Jun 2017, 13:44

I've heard that the PCP in the car market, particularly in the US, is the new sub-prime mortgage. A disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by CasRus » 30 Jun 2017, 17:07

Im off to Manchester on Monday to see my mate who is into Bitcoin to get a fuller understanding. I do know he is with a company that has invested in loads of servers at a secure location that do all these calculations in Bitcoin mining and you purchase a part of the server space that is actively doing this Bitcoin mining. I am not up to speed myself on it so All I know is what he has mentioned but I have seen his account in his back office and how it has grown and which he has an associated credit card that he can use against his Bitcoin account to make purchases,if you wish however the Bitcoin interest he accumulates, he re- invests into his account to gain more power to making bigger interest hence he is now compounded up to £1200 per month and growing.

I am interested in how secure Bitcoin is but there is a lot of top people getting into it including banks which hints at it being secure - but hey, what is these days !

I will ask if he can provide a video explanation of how it works if anyone is interested - let me know and hope to post a link to it if he can do this.

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Post by CasRus » 02 Jul 2017, 10:33

Anybody saw the Michael Gove interview on Andrew Marr show this morning. Clear concise and 4 quick "yes" answers to questions. He spoke a lot of common sense and gave a great sense of perspective and direction rather than the hysteria being whipped up on all fronts from MP's who are not in tune with leadership ( that goes for both Tory and Labour as both parties are all over the place) and the extreme left trying to whip up anarchy on our streets which serves nobody and would put this country at massive risk and very unsafe.

I think Gove would have been the best candidate to lead the Tories last year and, if you are a betting person, might consider putting a few quid on him to succeed May ! (so long as his backstabbing can be forgotten on Boris that is !)

Perspective and Direction is what is needed now to get through Brexit and it's time for all to shut up and let them get on with it in securing the best deal as too many are trying to influence decisions in their own interests and pulling our negotiating strength apart.

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Post by WF10 » 02 Jul 2017, 11:00

CasRus wrote:Im off to Manchester on Monday to see my mate who is into Bitcoin to get a fuller understanding. I do know he is with a company that has invested in loads of servers at a secure location that do all these calculations in Bitcoin mining and you purchase a part of the server space that is actively doing this Bitcoin mining. I am not up to speed myself on it so All I know is what he has mentioned but I have seen his account in his back office and how it has grown and which he has an associated credit card that he can use against his Bitcoin account to make purchases,if you wish however the Bitcoin interest he accumulates, he re- invests into his account to gain more power to making bigger interest hence he is now compounded up to £1200 per month and growing.

I am interested in how secure Bitcoin is but there is a lot of top people getting into it including banks which hints at it being secure - but hey, what is these days !

I will ask if he can provide a video explanation of how it works if anyone is interested - let me know and hope to post a link to it if he can do this.
Ye if you could.

Security would be the big issue. What's to stop some nerd who's never got his d!ck wet hacking in and either taking them all, flooding the market with them or getting all the information from people who have them?

I don't think anywhere or anything is truly safe from cyber attacks - Ukrainian national bank being hacked recently, Tesco bank, NHS etc.
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Post by WF10 » 02 Jul 2017, 11:12

CasRus wrote:Anybody saw the Michael Gove interview on Andrew Marr show this morning. Clear concise and 4 quick "yes" answers to questions. He spoke a lot of common sense and gave a great sense of perspective and direction rather than the hysteria being whipped up on all fronts from MP's who are not in tune with leadership ( that goes for both Tory and Labour as both parties are all over the place) and the extreme left trying to whip up anarchy on our streets which serves nobody and would put this country at massive risk and very unsafe.

I think Gove would have been the best candidate to lead the Tories last year and, if you are a betting person, might consider putting a few quid on him to succeed May ! (so long as his backstabbing can be forgotten on Boris that is !)

Perspective and Direction is what is needed now to get through Brexit and it's time for all to shut up and let them get on with it in securing the best deal as too many are trying to influence decisions in their own interests and pulling our negotiating strength apart.
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Post by Aid » 02 Jul 2017, 13:11

CasRus wrote:Anybody saw the Michael Gove interview on Andrew Marr show this morning. Clear concise and 4 quick "yes" answers to questions. He spoke a lot of common sense and gave a great sense of perspective and direction rather than the hysteria being whipped up on all fronts from MP's who are not in tune with leadership ( that goes for both Tory and Labour as both parties are all over the place) and the extreme left trying to whip up anarchy on our streets which serves nobody and would put this country at massive risk and very unsafe.

I think Gove would have been the best candidate to lead the Tories last year and, if you are a betting person, might consider putting a few quid on him to succeed May ! (so long as his backstabbing can be forgotten on Boris that is !)

Perspective and Direction is what is needed now to get through Brexit and it's time for all to shut up and let them get on with it in securing the best deal as too many are trying to influence decisions in their own interests and pulling our negotiating strength apart.
Sorry WHAT "negogiating strenght"?
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Post by CasRus » 02 Jul 2017, 14:26

Exactly ! that's what a hung parliament delivers to this country which is the very worst outcome where we will be in a state of bills on Brexit being outvoted every time by back benchers and we will be a country going nowhere ! Better to have a working majority for Tory or Labour in that last election and at least we would have had a roadmap of sorts to follow instead of being parked in a layby arguing amongst each other and going nowhere and the country stagnates to an even worse outcome. Just look at the in house fighting going on now in both parties ! Better for Corbyn and May to get their heads together and work out a common approach as they both seem to want the same result without getting screwed by the EU but both now have back benchers calling the shots. Nobody has won !

Looks like the country is now going to have to go on a spending spree to satisfy all demands from all sections of society - shame for the clueless youngsters who are about to inherit a massive debt and becoming a third world country when debt interest exceeds growth and can't pay and then ending up like Greece ! Short term gain and a lifetime of pain - glad I'll be long gone by then !

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We should just do away with democracy then.
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Post by Aid » 03 Jul 2017, 17:50

CasRus wrote:Exactly ! that's what a hung parliament delivers to this country which is the very worst outcome where we will be in a state of bills on Brexit being outvoted every time by back benchers and we will be a country going nowhere ! Better to have a working majority for Tory or Labour in that last election and at least we would have had a roadmap of sorts to follow instead of being parked in a layby arguing amongst each other and going nowhere and the country stagnates to an even worse outcome. Just look at the in house fighting going on now in both parties ! Better for Corbyn and May to get their heads together and work out a common approach as they both seem to want the same result without getting screwed by the EU but both now have back benchers calling the shots. Nobody has won !

Looks like the country is now going to have to go on a spending spree to satisfy all demands from all sections of society - shame for the clueless youngsters who are about to inherit a massive debt and becoming a third world country when debt interest exceeds growth and can't pay and then ending up like Greece ! Short term gain and a lifetime of pain - glad I'll be long gone by then !
A half full glass way of putting that: we would have (indeed DO have) a feeble government who cannot do anything, cannot bring in another top down reorganisation of our NHS, cannot change the education system AGAIN, bringing a bit of stability to two massively important institutions A feeble government who cannot bring in any new laws, every time a new law comes in, it pees a group of people off. A feeble Government who have to work more consensually. Less Government might be quite a popular thing!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 27 Aug 2017, 00:21

So what does everyone think to Labour's sell out to Brexiters ?

My opinion is if Labour take over, we might all as well pull our trousers down, fold them neatly over our right arm, , bend over and let the EU give us a right good shafting !

What a set of mice the Labour lot are now ! Someone give them the cheese ! Gutless to stand firm. Starmer would have the UK wrecked for years with no way of us getting ahead and tied to that EU Dinosaur which has Southern European countries about ready to go totally bankrupt which means only one thing - Bigger Contributions being extracted from us.

Some of you Labour supporters really need to wake up and smell the coffee !

Not saying Tories are by no means much better but I think we need to get out of that "Leaching" EU fast and take some pain now and try to rebuild our fortunes - after all we are Great Britain ! Done it before in history , we can do it again !

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