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Post by onetiger » 08 Sep 2017, 00:45

question
why as the tory goverment hit the poor and disabled so hard time after time but the well off gets big tax cuts and tax breaks ....under labour hospital waiting time to see consultant was 8-10 week now under torysits between 6-9 month

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onetiger wrote:question
why as the tory goverment hit the poor and disabled so hard time after time but the well off gets big tax cuts and tax breaks ....under labour hospital waiting time to see consultant was 8-10 week now under torysits between 6-9 month
where have you been?

'there is no money left' Liam Byrne - that was Labours legacy after 13 years in government.

we will be paying off over £200bn in PFI debt over the next 30 years thanks to Labour, think about that before bleating on about hospital waiting lists. It would not be difficult to bring down waiting times, dead easy in fact just keep ploughing money in and worry about the consequences later which kind of sums up Labours fiscal strategy.

We are only part way through repairing the damage so you'd better just suck it up.

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Post by TT Tiger » 18 Sep 2017, 22:02

alftupper wrote:
onetiger wrote:question
why as the tory goverment hit the poor and disabled so hard time after time but the well off gets big tax cuts and tax breaks ....under labour hospital waiting time to see consultant was 8-10 week now under torysits between 6-9 month
where have you been?

'there is no money left' Liam Byrne - that was Labours legacy after 13 years in government.

we will be paying off over £200bn in PFI debt over the next 30 years thanks to Labour, think about that before bleating on about hospital waiting lists. It would not be difficult to bring down waiting times, dead easy in fact just keep ploughing money in and worry about the consequences later which kind of sums up Labours fiscal strategy.

We are only part way through repairing the damage so you'd better just suck it up.
No more China to sell off now the Royal Mail has gone to help balance the books.

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Post by CasRus » 26 Sep 2017, 16:23

Well I have seen it all now- the Labour Lunatics in the Labour asylum living in Cloud CuckooLand with their wish list of privatising everything taking us back to the 1970s which didn't work then will most certainly bring devastation to jobs they are trying to create.
If Anyone thinks that Brexit will be tough, then I suggest Labour getting into government will be like a Nuclear Explosion !
They do not have a Scooby Doo ! Makes me think that the Trotskies in the Labour Camp are trying to bring this country down ! Companies will leave the UK in droves and the £ will die on the markets making imports of food etc like buying gold !
If you believe all this Labour Rhetoric then you must believe Corbyn is Santa Claus also ! Good resemblance though !

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Post by CasRus » 26 Sep 2017, 21:24

WF10 wrote:What's your take on Uber Rus?
Not sure what to think on Uber issue as there are a number of factors to consider so on the fence on this just now.

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Post by alftupper » 07 Dec 2017, 22:40

Hello, it now looks like hard left thug group momentum are being investigated by the Electoral Commission for breaking finance rules during this years election campaign

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Post by CasRus » 06 Mar 2018, 13:21

Judging by what is now happening in Europe with Italy being the latest, it appears that Corbyn has shot himself in the (michael) foot (see what I did there...ha ha !!) by nailing his flag to the customs union/single market EU mast ! And by the way, shows how desperate and fixated and desperate he is in trying to get into no.10 by going against his own long standing beliefs and principles ! Total Hypocrite !

The question now I pose which I have always maintained, is it more risky staying in the EU rather than pulling out which all the jelly fish no backbone remoaners keep advocating ?

Italians are now talking about deporting 600,000 immigrants that Brussels landed them with and have similar concerns to the UK regarding took much control in Brussels and as Macron mentioned that a referendum took place in France that he thought they would vote to leave also. Greece, Spain and Portugal are skint and Brussels would be looking to up the EU contribution bills to the UK anyway based on this I bet !

Nothing is very easy either way but let's for common sense sake get control of our own destiny, take a few years of getting it cranked up and let's not slip back into the EU fold like Corbyn is now swinging into not really leaving - Let's get behind the drive to getting out and once done even if it's with gritted teeth for staunch labour supporters having the Cons driving it - we can all vote the way we are persuaded once we have back control. Corbyn aint the answer just now after last week's speech and I bet it has riled many a Labour supporter as to what he proposed.

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Post by CasRus » 06 Mar 2018, 14:41

Yes but f... what most people think to scupper our democratic vote and tie himself back in.

He should have stuck to his long standing principles - he'd sell his grannie to gain power and you labour lot who voted for Brexit and who would still vote him in would also go against what you voted for so swallow your bitter pill with pride ! You reap what you sow comes to mind ! Not altogether joined up thinking and a bunch of brainwashed idiots springs to mind !

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Post by Flat Capper » 06 Mar 2018, 15:34

just to clarify CasRus, not all Labour supporters voted to leave.

Furthermore, many of those I know who did vote to leave did so on the single basis of immigration with little understanding of what the EU does. This fact isn't limited to Labour supporters either as many across the political spectrum believe the absolute trip spouted off by the Brexitiers about laws, rules, costs and the shape of bananas; all of which have absolutely no factual basis.

The ultimate lie was of course the ridiculous claim of £350m a week extra for the NHS so you perhaps need to acknowledge the Eurosceptics also say anything to get their way/into power. The failed coup of Grove and Johnson the most obvious attempt to gain power by subversion.
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Post by CasRus » 06 Mar 2018, 16:05

As I remember, the £350 million a week claim was what we would get back as contribution and it was resolutely trounced prior to the vote as being ridiculous to claim it was all for the NHS so I think everyone knew prior to the vote it would not all be aimed over to the NHS but a significant amount would or could.

Lies on both sides I think as, for example, the claim and scaremongering that the economy and jobs would suffer by the remoaners immediately after voting out didn't happen. Even Siemens this week announced a £200 million investment into Goole with a 700 job factory planned and 1700 further indirect jobs plus 250 to construct said factory. Toyota spent £240 million late last year on upgrading their Burniston site so what was scaremongered aint happening.

The North Labour areas voted in favour of out and to say that they had little understanding of what they were voting for really means that you are calling your Brexit voting Labour supporters as being thick ! Bet you couldn't say that to their face could you !

If you have been a Corbyn supporter prior to the referendum, means that you were in favour of his principles which included coming out of the EU, now he is seen as having a changed mind, does that mean still voting for him also changes your mind or are you a Leming that would follow him off a cliff edge ?? Now that's what I call being thick !

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Post by Flat Capper » 06 Mar 2018, 18:35

You like to throw the "thick" title around don't you?

Surprising really for someone who doesn't even understand my comments but hey oh, if the cap fits.

I have already stated what the Jeremy Corbyn backed Labour policy on Brexit is; to leave the EU but to stay in the customs union. The are clear that the will of the British public must be delivered.

Whilst we know what Labour would want to deliver, the Tory's are finding it harder and harder to stay together with policy changing on an almost daily basis, depending on who shouts loudest. Good old Reese-Mogg is chomping at the bit to get hold of the reigns; a true working man if ever I saw one.

I also stated that many across the political spectrum voted for Brexit on the back of the lies spouted by the leavers but I think it's fait to say that in any democracy, idiots on all sides also get a vote (back to Reese-Mogg).

Lies on the economic effect of brexit weren't fasle, the stock market slupmed dramatically in the days following the vote and whilst this has recovered and fallen again since, employment isn't that buoyant is it? Over 5,000 jobs in lost retail last week alone. Indeed, the last unemployment figures showed an increase. Let's not forget, we are still in the EU so the full impact on our economy won't be known until we do leave. I'm still confident that a 'hard brexit' will have a far more detrimental impact on the economy than a 'soft' one.
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Post by WF10 » 06 Mar 2018, 19:47

Well said Capper.
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Post by CasRus » 07 Mar 2018, 09:02

Capper, the world is changing and staying in a customs union will tie us down to the EU Titanic, if you wNt to stay on board while the fiddlers play, be my guest - I would rather get on the lifeboat away.

Corbyn’s politics are pre historic and will mimic what happened in the 70s and we know what happened there.

Technology shifts and third world demand is increasing and to stay chained to the EU will be the biggest mistake in the long run.

Of course you are correct a hard brexit will hurt more than a soft brexit but only in the short term and possibly a few years - be patient - no pain no gain !

Build a future for the kids - we’ve had our day or do you just want to stay cushy a few years longer in the EU and let the kids take the hit ! I predict the EU will collapse - it’s already starting to crack or are you dozing ???

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Post by Flat Capper » 07 Mar 2018, 13:19

There are many differing opinions on the EU subject and I will always defend everyone's right to have their opinion but it is inevitable that some will be wrong and ultimately proved wrong.

I would also never be brave enough to suggest the EU is fool proof and I agree that the world order is changing.

I do however disagree that standing alone and beating our chests will ultimately lead to a stronger Britain. As a member of the far bigger and stronger EU we stand a much better chance of having a voice across the world, able to benefit from the inevitable changes.

As a lonely figure we are actually more likely to be overtaken by the 'new order' and left behind no matter how loudly we go out and shout how good we are.

We need to EU as much as they need us and I've no doubt Trump and Putin are rubbing their hands at the prospect of divide and rule.
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Flat Capper wrote:There are many differing opinions on the EU subject and I will always defend everyone's right to have their opinion but it is inevitable that some will be wrong and ultimately proved wrong.

I would also never be brave enough to suggest the EU is fool proof and I agree that the world order is changing.

I do however disagree that standing alone and beating our chests will ultimately lead to a stronger Britain. As a member of the far bigger and stronger EU we stand a much better chance of having a voice across the world, able to benefit from the inevitable changes.

As a lonely figure we are actually more likely to be overtaken by the 'new order' and left behind no matter how loudly we go out and shout how good we are.

We need to EU as much as they need us and I've no doubt Trump and Putin are rubbing their hands at the prospect of divide and rule.

I also appreciate your opinions which are opposite to mine and I always look at pros and cons, however I still think you are not considering the underlying and continuing unrest in other EU countries and that includes Germany, Italy and France and the minnow countries are facing bankruptcy and known countries like Greece do not have two half pences to scratch their own backsides with - that £350 million a week will soon increase I can assure you in trying to bail out these countries and keep the EU intact.

Brussels have never published their accounts for many a year - how can you accept this seriously ? Why are they not publishing ? Don't you think that if they did, they would probably reveal how unsustainable the whole project is ? If you don't have accounts produced if you were in business. how do you know if your business is heading south or not ?

Don't you think we could be massively risking our country by staying in and head south with them ? At least by coming out we are in charge of our own destiny and if and when we do come out, we can be ahead of the game in securing long standing trade deals rather than having to, in all likeliness. be competing for world trade with other EU countries if/once the whole EU project collapses.

The Fact that Corbyn has agreed to a customs union in my mind is weakening our hand - you don't show your cards in a card game immediately so May is coming from a stronger standpoint and has more leeway to see where she can negotiate to with a potential better deal by playing n initial, stubborn, "give nothing away" negotiation.

The fact is, nobody knows which is best and the world is moving in various ways to make it hard to predict as to what would be best but my personal gut feel is to move very quickly on our own before we get dragged down with them.

I am a half full not half empty person and destiny always favours the brave in my mind - we can either feel comfy for a few years in the EU or we can change our mindset and get off our fat backsides and get stuck to the predicted biggest growth for the next 15 years in African/Asian markets rather than stay with the EU diminishing trade market. In my mind we have got too cushy within the EU but I perceive that what's happening now will inevitably expose this as a total failed project in the next 3-5 years - only time will tell !

That's my take on it.

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Post by Flat Capper » 08 Mar 2018, 13:33

I'll leave you stand out in the cold on your own with your begging bowl when your mates don't want to play.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 12 Mar 2018, 20:10

CasRus, did you see the statement from Theresa May regarding the the Salisbury poisoning. Strong stuff I thought exactly what you would want and expect to hear from the PM contrasted with the leader of the opposition who basically criticised his own countries government, he was rightly jeered by all corners of the house

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