Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

[Flat Capper]

I'd certainly like to know how you re-negotiate agreements with the EU once you've left and therefore have no bargaining tools? Surely, if you want a no deal exit, you do not want to work with them or are you just being hypocritical?

We are currently being offered a deal that’s bad and have a weak PM who’s being trampled on.

No deal is better than a bad deal, remember that?

We leave without a deal and see how long it is before the EU come crawling for a good deal with the worlds 5th largest economy.

Built up whilst being part of the EU and trading successfully with it, without tariffs.

What you leavers always seem to forget is the fact we want to buy goods from Europe just as much, if not more, than they need to sell them to us. Whatever deal is struck, before or after leaving, it will favour the EU as they have the greater bargaining power. This is why we are better off sat at the table rather than waiting for the scraps from it!

I've never been one who favours cutting my nose off to spite my face.

[alftupper]

I'd certainly like to know how you re-negotiate agreements with the EU once you've left and therefore have no bargaining tools? Surely, if you want a no deal exit, you do not want to work with them or are you just being hypocritical?

We are currently being offered a deal that’s bad and have a weak PM who’s being trampled on.

No deal is better than a bad deal, remember that?

We leave without a deal and see how long it is before the EU come crawling for a good deal with the worlds 5th largest economy.

Built up whilst being part of the EU and trading successfully with it, without tariffs.

I knew that would be your response as I wrote it.
You have no confidence in this country, you don’t rate this country, you are a very scared individual who is horrified of going it alone in the big wide world, it’s very common with those who’ve been wet nursed all their lives in the public sector. If you were told Capper go out and make some money you wouldn’t have the foggiest would you, so your pathetic views on Brexit are quiet understandable.

[Flat Capper]

And you know nothing of the real economical world where your belief of the supply and demand culture dictates everything. We, the British public demand goods from overseas so the suppliers will sell us them, at a price.

This supply and demand culture has ripped the manufacturing base out of this country in order to earn a cheap buck abroad.

I've survived in a world that gave my family nothing. I not been wet nursed via a tax system that allows the self-employed, the businessman and the toxic company directors to fleece to the public purse. I've grafted on building sites, farms and in factories to provide my family wit everything they need whilst paying my fair share of taxes. I am strong because I have had to be and because I didn't have a silver spoon in my mouth.

And let's not forget, the banking institutions of Britain were so strong that the public purse had to bail them out because it is they who are pathetic, they and people who share their beliefs.

Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us on how you survive in the big wide world and what business you are in?

[WF10]

Were you on about Farage earlier Alf as the 'greatest living Englishman'?

[alftupper]

Time for Capper to have half an hour in his council sponsored safe space I think or maybe have his allotted 3 sick days this month.

snowflake

[alftupper]

Were you on about Farage earlier Alf as the 'greatest living Englishman'?

I certainly was WF10

are you about to come up with some lame comment about his European ancestry?

I’d expect a bit better from you if you were.

[WF10]

Were you on about Farage earlier Alf as the 'greatest living Englishman'?

I certainly was WF10

are you about to come up with some lame comment about his hypocrisy?

I’d expect a bit better from you if you were.

Fixed that for you.

[Flat Capper]

Time for Capper to have half an hour in his council sponsored safe space I think or maybe have his allotted 3 sick days this month.

snowflake

I will not rise to your (unsupported) patronising tones you absolute tool although I note you dare not mention what you do for living though you coward.

Time for you to be spoon fed by your Nanny me thinks.

[Flat Capper]

I will add that it does always show your true colours when you ultimately end up resulting to personal insults because your arguments fail.

[alftupper]

Time for Capper to have half an hour in his council sponsored safe space I think or maybe have his allotted 3 sick days this month.

snowflake

I will not rise to your (unsupported) patronising tones you absolute tool although I note you dare not mention what you do for living though you coward.

Time for you to be spoon fed by your Nanny me thinks.

wow, touched a nerve there. Obviously I hit very close to the inconvenient truth.

For your own benefit FC I’d maybe give this discussion a rest maybe a bit too robust for you to deal with.

its interesting he starts throwing words about like coward and dare (keep it coming water off a ducks back old lad) when in numerous topics about Gary Hetherington he pokes fun at what he perceives to be his speech impediment. Have you ever got round to addressing this to him in person snowflake?

[Flat Capper]

Straws and clutch spring to mind but never mind, I'll await your political comments that you seem so reluctant to provide and/or defend at he moment.

When you're ready...

[CasRus]

Just thought I would re-fire up the debate !

How many more faces of Big Ben do we need to see from the opposition Labour benches !! They seem to have a multitude of positions and when it aint going their way, they switch to another !! It's amazing that they do not have a true position and await an opportunity to just gain power and sod the country !

Now they are now stooping so low as to be considering a second referendum !! That is no way Democratic after voting for Article 50 and the referendum result to be honoured ! It's laughable to see the front bench of Labour's Noses growing longer by the day just like Pinnochio !

The Leavers have it right - if they don't pass an agreed deal with the EU by the end of October, then it's NO DEAL ! That is Democracy !

Let's hope the Tories sort themselves out and get a change to the deal and both sides see sense but if not, I can see all those lilly livered politicians voting to renege on Article 50 and finish up remaining which is what they will have manufactured to suit themselves and sod democracy ! Next election could see NF's Brexit party take a big chunk out of both camps and that will be the irony !

[WF10]

You mean they've reiterated agreed Party policy on Brexit?

OK.

[CasRus]

You mean they've reiterated agreed Party policy on Brexit?

OK.

Yes that's right - they are still hiding and trying to establish their so called "Non Existant" Party Policy (which that's what it is) arguing amongst themselves as to which of the many roads they have sat on the fence with to satisfy their craze to obtain power at all costs while the overriding crisis takes second place and the country stagnates and people lose the will to live ! I think I'm definitely right here !

Backing a second referendum is anti democratic and Northern Labour Heartlands will recognize this and go to Farage - Labour are doomed one way or the other (Labour should have backed May's plan and await the next election rather than stitch her up in my opinion even though it was flawed but had some impetus to get us halfway out).

Tories so far haven't been much better under weak willed May but at least there is a will to finalize for end of October and this may the country's best shot at strong-arming the EU to concede on the backstop and if they do, this will fly through parliament and we can all get on with our lives. If they can't, they at least will have demonstrated their credentials for the will of the people and if they pact with Farage, they will call an election and I believe would get a stronger mandate. If Labour don't pact with the Lib/Dems they are certainly doomed but I can see these pacts forming to reflect the 52-48 referendum vote all over again in an election but will definitely have a very interesting outcome to it all.

[WF10]

It's a Tory mess, for them lot to own.
Nothing to see here.

[CasRus]

Yes it is, but it is also owned by Labour by advocating a second referendum as to what is ultimately being rolled out by them as the Northern Heartlands will prove when they vote for Farage ! You are missing a massive point here WF10 !

[WF10]

Incorrect.

Brexit referendum proposed in a Tory election manifesto to appease some in their Party.
General Election where the Tories won a majority, thanks in part to the above manifesto pledge.
Brexit referendum.
Leave won.
Tory leader didn't like the result so resigned.
Tories coronated another Party leader.
Tories proposed a General Election.
Tories lost their majority gained previously but cobbled together a deal to keep them in power.
Brexit ongoing.

But its somehow Labour owned?

Right-oh.

[CasRus]

Incorrect.

Brexit referendum proposed in a Tory election manifesto to appease some in their Party.
General Election where the Tories won a majority, thanks in part to the above manifesto pledge.
Brexit referendum.
Leave won.
Tory leader didn't like the result so resigned.
Tories coronated another Party leader.
Tories proposed a General Election.
Tories lost their majority gained previously but cobbled together a deal to keep them in power.
Brexit ongoing.

But its somehow Labour owned?

Right-oh.

Let me explain - It is Labour owned as well as the Tories as all decisions have been/are voted on in the Commons ! For Clarity it's Commons owned irrespective of how it got there (Labour and Tories plus the others) ! Labour are as much complicit along with the Tory ERG wing of voting down May's deal so yes it is essentially all parties who now own it !
Has that nail finally been hammered in correctly ?

[WF10]

If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.

[CasRus]

If they'd kept their majority by either:
a) not calling for the 2017 General Election
b) winning a majority in the 2017 General Election

the Tories would be able to pass motions in the House.

THEY called for an Election.
THEY lost their majority.
THEY have to deal with it.

The OPPOSITION simply has to OPPOSE.

Not [REMOVED] rocket science mate.

It will all come out in the wash anyway and I suspect it won't be favourable for Labour so I don't know why you are cribbing so much or is it a case of nervous defence !