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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 16 Nov 2018, 12:48

You’ve just reminded me how things could be much worse

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 18 Nov 2018, 18:49

Well here we are on a very crucial Brexit week and the May chequers plan falls way short of what we voted for.

Labour, who think they can do better are an absolute joke by tying us into a customs union and therefore not leaving as democracy has decreed. It;s great for them to be sat on the fence being non commital this past year and think they have the answers to a better deal !! I DON'T THINK SO !!

The 500 or so pages on the agreement has been condensed down by Reece Mogg's group into 7 pages as to what it really means and is a disaster as described today as being in "Hotel California" and never able to leave !!

Here is the link to the 7 pages which is taken from www.BrexitCentral.com run by Recce Mogg's group and if that doesn't tell you more about the EU leeching the hell out of us and being a pawn, I don'r really know what else I could say except that it makes total sense to go it alone with a no deal unless May can negotiate further:-

http://2mbg6fgb1kl380gtk22pbxgw-wpengin ... o-Know.pdf

Game On and I just think about all the war dead that fought and died to remain in charge of our own destiny would be turning in their graves at the politicians who have surrendered all this power to Brussels these past 40 years and being pupetteered by the Germans who lost the battle and have currently won the war by stealth ! We must be a set of numpties and a laughing stock !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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For the record, the Second World War came about in an attempt to defend our European allies from a fascist, right-wing, dictator who murdered millions of innocent fellow Europeans. At the time we declared war we were not in direct conflict with Germany. We were also aided by the Russians who, at the time, did not consider democracy as the correct rule of government.

Following the end of the war, peace in Europe has been steadfastly maintained by the fact we have worked together for the common good, only failing in small areas where they were attempting to introduce democracy following the defeat of communist dictators. These areas were of course outside of the EU.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 19 Nov 2018, 17:03

Thanks for the history lesson but I’m not sure what your point is... Brexit will lead to WW3?

Project Fear is alive and well in Fev! :lol:

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Flat Capper wrote:For the record, the Second World War came about in an attempt to defend our European allies from a fascist, right-wing, dictator who murdered millions of innocent fellow Europeans. At the time we declared war we were not in direct conflict with Germany. We were also aided by the Russians who, at the time, did not consider democracy as the correct rule of government.

Following the end of the war, peace in Europe has been steadfastly maintained by the fact we have worked together for the common good, only failing in small areas where they were attempting to introduce democracy following the defeat of communist dictators. These areas were of course outside of the EU.
Er, hello ! Wasn't' the Dictator German voted into power by the German Nation and the very same attacked our shores with massive loss of life even though we tried to defend others at the start in stopping a dictator intent on world domination and thought his Germanic Aryian bloodline within his country was elitist and thought the Jews were scum ! ARE YOU FOR REAL !!! We would have been worked to death in Coal Mines etc as slaves with no rights if we would have been conquered and finished up looking like the jews in the death camps and finally put out of our misery !

I think you need to take a reality check as to whether you are True British or a red under the bed !!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 19 Nov 2018, 20:32

Don’t waste your time CasRus, FC and his ilk are the enemy within... the fifth column if you like.

In his brief summary of early 20th century Europe he fails to mention ‘left wing’ mother Russia was in cahoots with the Third Reich to carve up Poland and Finland between them... I knew my O level history would come in handy one day. They only entered the war 2 years later when Hitler tried to kick his front door in.

You are right in what you alluded to CasRus you could never stand comfortably with a socialist in the trenches for fear of him being more closely aligned to the enemy than yourself. They actually hate Tory’s whereas I only pity socialists

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Post by CasRus » 20 Nov 2018, 10:14

Yes these ungrateful socialists just don't get the fact that thousands of people sacrificed their lives to keep us free and maintain democracy so that they have the freedoms to do what they basically want in life within rules of law. They need to be sent to Russia to see how most Russian people have tp live under the existing regime in crap housing and basic food compared to what we have here.

The point I was making is that Germany have controlled the EU project throughout and have had us as jackasses accepting their methods in cahoots with Brussels ! Just go and see how their industry and road infrastructure is top class - their roads for example which also applies to Belgium are pristine and not like our roads full of potholes - I know as I have been to both this year and was gobsmacked ! - so where is the money going we donate ??? we are being taken for mugs !

Like I said, thousands of soldiers will be turning in their graves for what they fought for our sovereignity to be surrendered and more or less already be a vassal state in the present system by a group of yo yo's in Brussels who swipe thousands in expenses and have not and will not publish their accounts for the last 20 years.

People like WF10 and Flatcapper don't know the half of it as probably we don't either as to what goes on behind the closed EU doors !!! Problem is that these people like to be nursemaided and have not got the desire or inclination to make and do things for themselves and get on in life. There's a big world out there if only they opened their eyes ! I have been to China, Hong Kong and the Phillipines a couple of months ago and the projects going on over there dwarf anything we are doing and we are missing these opportunities to be part of these projects in not having the ability to trade in being stuck in the dice loaded EU club which is past it's sell by date !

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CasRus wrote:Yes these ungrateful socialists just don't get the fact that thousands of people sacrificed their lives to keep us free and maintain democracy so that they have the freedoms to do what they basically want in life within rules of law. They need to be sent to Russia to see how most Russian people have tp live under the existing regime in crap housing and basic food compared to what we have here.

The point I was making is that Germany have controlled the EU project throughout and have had us as jackasses accepting their methods in cahoots with Brussels ! Just go and see how their industry and road infrastructure is top class - their roads for example which also applies to Belgium are pristine and not like our roads full of potholes - I know as I have been to both this year and was gobsmacked ! - so where is the money going we donate ??? we are being taken for mugs !

Like I said, thousands of soldiers will be turning in their graves for what they fought for our sovereignity to be surrendered and more or less already be a vassal state in the present system by a group of yo yo's in Brussels who swipe thousands in expenses and have not and will not publish their accounts for the last 20 years.

People like WF10 and Flatcapper don't know the half of it as probably we don't either as to what goes on behind the closed EU doors !!! Problem is that these people like to be nursemaided and have not got the desire or inclination to make and do things for themselves and get on in life. There's a big world out there if only they opened their eyes ! I have been to China, Hong Kong and the Phillipines a couple of months ago and the projects going on over there dwarf anything we are doing and we are missing these opportunities to be part of these projects in not having the ability to trade in being stuck in the dice loaded EU club which is past it's sell by date !
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Post by CasRus » 20 Nov 2018, 10:51

Here goes WF10 again with a nonsense non commital statement that he throws out and thinks he's funny !! Mate, you need to grow up a bit more to enter big mister's debates !

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Post by Flat Capper » 20 Nov 2018, 13:21

CasRus wrote:Here goes WF10 again with a nonsense non commital statement that he throws out and thinks he's funny !! Mate, you need to grow up a bit more to enter big mister's debates !
Coming from one of the idiot brothers, that is a classic. One or t'other of you always revert to using slang references to those that oppose your views, usually without basis.

This is summed up in your response to my comments about why the Second World War took place, attempting to point the finger at me as some kind of Nazi supporter. My post clearly points out that it was European solidarity against a single rogue nation that won the war and the continued European collective that has helped prevent that situation arising again. A collective that may not work quite as successfully if one of the nations goes alone on a right-wing, nationalist basis.

My Grandfather was one of the minority that fought his way back from Operation Market Garden and continued to fight against the murderous entity until the end of the war. Throughout his life he remained a strong socialist with the firm belief we must avoid such conflicts by being a united Europe. I'm sure you'll be happy to use the freedom he gained you to say he was wrong!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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CasRus wrote:Here goes WF10 again with a nonsense non commital statement that he throws out and thinks he's funny !! Mate, you need to grow up a bit more to enter big mister's debates !
Coming from one of the idiot brothers, that is a classic. One or t'other of you always revert to using slang references to those that oppose your views, usually without basis.

This is summed up in your response to my comments about why the Second World War took place, attempting to point the finger at me as some kind of Nazi supporter. My post clearly points out that it was European solidarity against a single rogue nation that won the war and the continued European collective that has helped prevent that situation arising again. A collective that may not work quite as successfully if one of the nations goes alone on a right-wing, nationalist basis.

My Grandfather was one of the minority that fought his way back from Operation Market Garden and continued to fight against the murderous entity until the end of the war. Throughout his life he remained a strong socialist with the firm belief we must avoid such conflicts by being a united Europe. I'm sure you'll be happy to use the freedom he gained you to say he was wrong!
Flatcapper, you need to go back to your drawing board about European unity in the second world war - whose side do you think Italy was on ????? Bet that's emabarrassing for you !!!

To be honest, European Unity is an absolute fallacy as some of the EU countries are a law unto themselves and disregard EU laws when it suits them - Look at Greece who let their non existant tax affairs and collections go for years and who do you think bailed them out ???? Which countries are disregarding Shengen on immigration ??

Don't make me laugh about EU Unity ! it doesn't and would not exist as some countries would sell their own grandmother !

I think you need to be slapped out of your EU Unity trance and wake up to smell the coffee !!

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Post by Flat Capper » 21 Nov 2018, 18:43

So then CasRus,is the EU an undemocratic dictatorship that doesn't allow the individual countries to rule themselves through Sovereign rule (as you Brexitiers suggest) or do countries operate a fairly lose collective that allows them to undertake decisions for the good of their land? Whatever the EU agreements are, the individual governments hold responsibility for delivery and that's the basis for us, the electorate, holding them to account.

Oh, and I only discounted Italy as, since the decline of the Roman Empire, they have been renowned cowards, never really up for the fight but your point does further illustrate what happens when countries don't work together for the collective good.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by alftupper » 21 Nov 2018, 20:53

It sounds like old Capper has eaten his box set of the World at War followed by the History of the World for dessert. He’s even quoting Winston Churchill on the the Cas squad for next season thread. Has he lost the plot?

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Flat Capper wrote:So then CasRus,is the EU an undemocratic dictatorship that doesn't allow the individual countries to rule themselves through Sovereign rule (as you Brexitiers suggest) or do countries operate a fairly lose collective that allows them to undertake decisions for the good of their land? Whatever the EU agreements are, the individual governments hold responsibility for delivery and that's the basis for us, the electorate, holding them to account.

Oh, and I only discounted Italy as, since the decline of the Roman Empire, they have been renowned cowards, never really up for the fight but your point does further illustrate what happens when countries don't work together for the collective good.
Well Flatcapper, what a pathetic excuse of discounting Italy - one of the main countries within the EU and you discount they backed up Germany against us in the 2nd World War ! I think your credibility with that excuse is abysmal.

When the chips are down I can most probably predict that every one of the EU countries won’t give a toss about EU unity ! Greece has demonstrated that quite avidly by not collecting their taxes and then getting a bail out from the rest of the EU who by the way is adequTely funded by you know who ! Better spend our money on ourselves as to what we contribute I say - I can also predict that if we decide to stay in the EU by what is going on now, that £350 million donation per week will become £450 Million very soon and the whole lot will come crashing down in time in trying to support Southern European countries and that includes those cowardly Italians as you put it !

Wake up and smell the coffee ! You are in La La Land !

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La La Land, is that where we'll spend the £350 million EU contribution on the NHS?
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Flat Capper wrote:La La Land, is that where we'll spend the £350 million EU contribution on the NHS?
We don't need to do that now as the Tory Government is pumping £20 Billion into the NHS which is far more than Labour were going to do in their manifesto !!!! Touche !!

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CasRus wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:La La Land, is that where we'll spend the £350 million EU contribution on the NHS?
We don't need to do that now as the Tory Government is pumping £20 Billion into the NHS which is far more than Labour were going to do in their manifesto !!!! Touche !!
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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CasRus wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:La La Land, is that where we'll spend the £350 million EU contribution on the NHS?
We don't need to do that now as the Tory Government is pumping £20 Billion into the NHS which is far more than Labour were going to do in their manifesto !!!! Touche !!
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Be good to see whose magic money tree is the bigger - you weren't saying magic money tree last year when Labour were preaching a bigger money spend = Hypocrite or what !!

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