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Re: St Helens away

Post by Ken Smith » 24 Aug 2019, 09:45

Cas have lost their last 23 away League matches at Saints, but did draw there in 1998. It’s correct to state that the last time that Cas won against Saints in a League match was indeed 29-16 on the 21st October 1990, that’s 31 matches ago. However, it was not always thus. From the 1980/81 season Cas beat Saints 7 times in 4 successive seasons:-
1980/81 22-21 at home, 8-5 away.
1981/82 lost 17-32 at home, but won 40-10 away
1982/83 31–10 at home, 24-23 away
1983/84 26-22 at home, 22-10 away.
In fact at home Cas became a bit of a bogey team for Saints as following that home defeat in the 1981/82 season, Cas beating Saints at Wheldon Road in 9 successive seasons, drew the following season then won 3 more times in the following 4 seasons before the Super League era.
Overall the 16 seasons prior to Super League produced 20 wins, 2 draws and 10 defeats.
In the Super League season’s Cas have won only 6 matches, drawn twice, but lost 43 times
Time for a change methinks!

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Re: St Helens away

Post by tigerfeat » 24 Aug 2019, 10:06

That draw in 88 should have been a lose too we were 2 points behind with a minute left ref gave us a penalty under sticks somebody trys taking a quick tap knocked on and ref said no retake it and we went for goal on second chance
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Post by nottinghamtiger » 24 Aug 2019, 10:33

tigerfeat wrote:That draw in 88 should have been a lose too we were 2 points behind with a minute left ref gave us a penalty under sticks somebody trys taking a quick tap knocked on and ref said no retake it and we went for goal on second chance
Assuming you mean 1998 (the 32-32 draw), it was Brad Davies who decided to take a quick tap and go for the try. Dean Sampson pulled him back (after he’d taken the tap) and told the referee he never touched it with the foot. The Saints players went ballistic and Karl Hammond was sin-binned for dissent.
Incidentally Dean Sampson also scored an 11 minute hat-trick in that game, all from the same move with Adrian Vowles. If I remember correctly, at the time it was the fastest hat-trick in top level RL . I’ve no idea if this has been bettered since, but our result hasn’t!

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Re: St Helens away

Post by tigerfeat » 24 Aug 2019, 10:48

Yes sorry 1998 yes I remember Diesel scoring three quick trys and there players and supporters going mental when ref let us have a rethink and kick at goal
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Re: St Helens away

Post by derkster » 24 Aug 2019, 16:59

can see us getting the backlash from the final next week.

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Post by braytontiger » 24 Aug 2019, 17:11

In terms of what that will have taken out of saints it was the perfect game but wrong result. There going to come at us all guns blazing on Friday.

Another negative is that Warrington won’t care too much about Thursday night at Salford.

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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 24 Aug 2019, 17:37

braytontiger wrote:In terms of what that will have taken out of saints it was the perfect game but wrong result. There going to come at us all guns blazing on Friday.

Another negative is that Warrington won’t care too much about Thursday night at Salford.
They will if they want to get to OT

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Post by HuddsTigers » 24 Aug 2019, 17:39

Tamworth Tiger wrote:
braytontiger wrote:In terms of what that will have taken out of saints it was the perfect game but wrong result. There going to come at us all guns blazing on Friday.

Another negative is that Warrington won’t care too much about Thursday night at Salford.
They will if they want to get to OT
Exactly. Their own place in the top 5 is precarious as it is. Wakey and Leeds up next both of which could need to win to stay up. Can’t afford to slip up and they will want to get form back ahead of the playoffs.
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Re: St Helens away

Post by tigerfeat » 24 Aug 2019, 17:46

Holbrooks a nice bloke but thought he was completely out coached today
Well done to daz great performance deserved mom
Think saints will go with there full side on Friday be very surprised if there's owt down for cas... but one lives in hope
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Post by castigers2010 » 24 Aug 2019, 17:53

tigerfeat wrote:Holbrooks a nice bloke but thought he was completely out coached today
Well done to daz great performance deserved mom
Think saints will go with there full side on Friday be very surprised if there's owt down for cas... but one lives in hope
Holbrook has the same problem as Powell, he can do it week in week out but the games that matter, he gets out coached.

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Post by the machine » 24 Aug 2019, 18:44

The ridiculous decision by Hicks to not even go to the screen for Knowles try(which was confirmed a try by the replays) completely changed the game,saints had all the momentum and chances at that point

We'll definitely feel the backlash

Salford will hammer wire too
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Re: St Helens away

Post by alftupper » 24 Aug 2019, 20:35

Saints fans will be getting nervous after this about the GF, potentially another season were a team finishing 16 points behind the best team of the year could walk away as ‘champions’
What a joke

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Post by cogito ergo sum » 24 Aug 2019, 21:45

alftupper wrote:Saints fans will be getting nervous after this about the GF, potentially another season were a team finishing 16 points behind the best team of the year could walk away as ‘champions’
What a joke
Spot on, been saying it for years.

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Post by betts21 » 24 Aug 2019, 21:54

the machine wrote:The ridiculous decision by Hicks to not even go to the screen for Knowles try(which was confirmed a try by the replays) completely changed the game,saints had all the momentum and chances at that point

We'll definitely feel the backlash

Salford will hammer wire too
Do you know what the appeal for it to be watched was hardly there I can accept how he reffed today he called it as he saw it and let play carry on freely thought was a good game. Ultimately St's just didn't get to find many gaps wire were great value for the win

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Post by Nu Shooze » 24 Aug 2019, 21:58

derkster wrote:can see us getting the backlash from the final next week.
Ah yes, the old ‘backlash’ theory. The reason why no team ever loses 2 weeks on the bounce. :roll:

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Post by tigerfeat » 25 Aug 2019, 10:06

the machine wrote:The ridiculous decision by Hicks to not even go to the screen for Knowles try(which was confirmed a try by the replays) completely changed the game,saints had all the momentum and chances at that point

We'll definitely feel the backlash

Salford will hammer wire too
This what I've said before about the standard of the officials in this country Kendall is the only decent referee
In a showpiece final to watch a performance like that from Hicks is embarrising
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Re: St Helens away

Post by Mysterio » 25 Aug 2019, 11:55

What WAS embarrassing was Hicks and Thaler between them trying to even things up by finding fault in Lineham’s perfectly fine try.

That was absolutely disgusting in itself and the only reason it was disallowed was due to the one earlier not given to Saints and Knowles.

Pathetic.

Thaler in particular is spineless.
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Re: St Helens away

Post by tigerfeat » 25 Aug 2019, 12:26

It's even worse when it's a game on BBC you get to hear the buffoon start off saying "if there's the slightest contact I've got to award a no try "
But yeah that was as bad as hicks not going to the screen
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Re: St Helens away

Post by yorky » 25 Aug 2019, 12:34

totally agrre with the above, another embarrassment for RL not using the technology available. also am i the only one that heard Dave Woods say "he doesnt know his arse from his elbow" in his commentary?

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Re: St Helens away

Post by 43s flyer » 25 Aug 2019, 12:45

yorky wrote:totally agrre with the above, another embarrassment for RL not using the technology available. also am i the only one that heard Dave Woods say "he doesnt know his arse from his elbow" in his commentary?
Yes he did albeit substituting arse with rrs

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