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I'm not sure there's a worse feeling amongst 'most' fans now than in 2006, but you might argue that.Wicksy wrote:I do, but the balance has shifted mate . Many fans don't speak out but they want to .Steadman_4_PM wrote:Remember the last time mate?
You've also to consider that we get extremes of views on here, those heavily against RW and co plus those very much in favour. I wonder how many of the general fan population sufers from apathy.
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Fair point, but for me enough is enough . If i have to i will stand alone mate .Steadman_4_PM wrote:I'm not sure there's a worse feeling amongst 'most' fans now than in 2006, but you might argue that.Wicksy wrote:I do, but the balance has shifted mate . Many fans don't speak out but they want to .Steadman_4_PM wrote:Remember the last time mate?
You've also to consider that we get extremes of views on here, those heavily against RW and co plus those very much in favour. I wonder how many of the general fan population sufers from apathy.
Maybe they don't want to stand down because they want to rectify the mistakes they've made in seasons gone by.
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Therefore nothing will ever change.Wicksy wrote:I do, but the balance has shifted mate . Many fans don't speak out but they want to .Steadman_4_PM wrote:Remember the last time mate?
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Dont think you will be standing alone wicksy.Wicksy wrote:
If i have to i will stand alone mate .
I know half a dozen fans who have stopped going myself being one of them.
I've not been since the wakefield home game.
And i've decided to go away for the weekend this week so i wont be there on sunday either.
You can take so much and in the end something as to give, it's a shame the people running our club cant see this, well i think they can see this but just dont do anything about it.
Mediocre to our club = we are doing just fine thank you.
No ambition thats our problem.
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You'll probably think this is me having a pop at you, but its not so try to see through that........
Seriously though, there's no doubt numerous fans who've not turned up, but equally there's new blood who weren't there last season. So far we're averaging 7,662 which compares to 7,104 during our last SL stint and 6,796 the time before that. According to Stu's website, this season is our highest average attendance for over 20 years.
So, plenty of people are staying away but they aren't having enough of an impact are they? To do things properly and really make a stand, you need the gate to half one week...... in fact you need to do that more than once otherwise it can easily be laughed off.
In many case I don't think its people not seeing what is going on, its that they've a vested interest / good reason why to hang around until the sale goes through. Yeah some may want to hang on afterwards, but its a huge carrot don't you think for those who can cash in?
We'll see I know, time will tell and all that but we are where we are and there's no quick fix to stick in place is there? Why not take the franchise era as a great new start and real kick up the arse?
6? Wow, that's really going to show the club the error of their ways, hitting them in the pocket and put us on a path to SL greatness.old cas lass wrote:Dont think you will be standing alone wicksy.
I know half a dozen fans who have stopped going myself being one of them.
Seriously though, there's no doubt numerous fans who've not turned up, but equally there's new blood who weren't there last season. So far we're averaging 7,662 which compares to 7,104 during our last SL stint and 6,796 the time before that. According to Stu's website, this season is our highest average attendance for over 20 years.
So, plenty of people are staying away but they aren't having enough of an impact are they? To do things properly and really make a stand, you need the gate to half one week...... in fact you need to do that more than once otherwise it can easily be laughed off.
Pray tell, what should be done about it? Should RW walk? Should the BOD stand down? Like I've said a few times, none of that can / will happen until WR is sold and we've a new ground to move into. Before then, nobody in their right mind would take their shares out of the club..........or would you?old cas lass wrote:You can take so much and in the end something as to give, it's a shame the people running our club cant see this, well i think they can see this but just dont do anything about it.
In many case I don't think its people not seeing what is going on, its that they've a vested interest / good reason why to hang around until the sale goes through. Yeah some may want to hang on afterwards, but its a huge carrot don't you think for those who can cash in?
If we get a franchise, then being mediocre to that point is fine. Sure its been crap every other year of late but its done with. If we get into SL 09 then we should begin showing our ambition, signing up Hudson, Cockayne, Koopu etc ought to show a bit of that. Equally I don't believe Joe or Shenny would have re signed had someone not outlined who we were trying to bring to the club. Just read Joe's comments on his time with England, does that sound like someone lacking ambition? Young yes but he could so easily have moved on, Cas supporter or not I believe he's seen what our plans are and believes they are creditble.old cas lass wrote:Mediocre to our club = we are doing just fine thank you.
No ambition thats our problem.
We'll see I know, time will tell and all that but we are where we are and there's no quick fix to stick in place is there? Why not take the franchise era as a great new start and real kick up the arse?
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Steadman_4_PM wrote:You'll probably think this is me having a pop at you, but its not so try to see through that........
6? Wow, that's really going to show the club the error of their ways, hitting them in the pocket and put us on a path to SL greatness.old cas lass wrote:Dont think you will be standing alone wicksy.
I know half a dozen fans who have stopped going myself being one of them.
Seriously though, there's no doubt numerous fans who've not turned up, but equally there's new blood who weren't there last season. So far we're averaging 7,662 which compares to 7,104 during our last SL stint and 6,796 the time before that. According to Stu's website, this season is our highest average attendance for over 20 years.
So, plenty of people are staying away but they aren't having enough of an impact are they? To do things properly and really make a stand, you need the gate to half one week...... in fact you need to do that more than once otherwise it can easily be laughed off.
Pray tell, what should be done about it? Should RW walk? Should the BOD stand down? Like I've said a few times, none of that can / will happen until WR is sold and we've a new ground to move into. Before then, nobody in their right mind would take their shares out of the club..........or would you?old cas lass wrote:You can take so much and in the end something as to give, it's a shame the people running our club cant see this, well i think they can see this but just dont do anything about it.
In many case I don't think its people not seeing what is going on, its that they've a vested interest / good reason why to hang around until the sale goes through. Yeah some may want to hang on afterwards, but its a huge carrot don't you think for those who can cash in?
If we get a franchise, then being mediocre to that point is fine. Sure its been crap every other year of late but its done with. If we get into SL 09 then we should begin showing our ambition, signing up Hudson, Cockayne, Koopu etc ought to show a bit of that. Equally I don't believe Joe or Shenny would have re signed had someone not outlined who we were trying to bring to the club. Just read Joe's comments on his time with England, does that sound like someone lacking ambition? Young yes but he could so easily have moved on, Cas supporter or not I believe he's seen what our plans are and believes they are creditble.old cas lass wrote:Mediocre to our club = we are doing just fine thank you.
No ambition thats our problem.
We'll see I know, time will tell and all that but we are where we are and there's no quick fix to stick in place is there? Why not take the franchise era as a great new start and real kick up the arse?
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Those figures are supplied by the Club who surely do not want to risk saying we've got less supporters at this crucial time?Steadman_4_PM wrote:Seriously though, there's no doubt numerous fans who've not turned up, but equally there's new blood who weren't there last season. So far we're averaging 7,662 which compares to 7,104 during our last SL stint and 6,796 the time before that. According to Stu's website, this season is our highest average attendance for over 20 years.
So, plenty of people are staying away but they aren't having enough of an impact are they? To do things properly and really make a stand, you need the gate to half one week...... in fact you need to do that more than once otherwise it can easily be laughed off.
Soory Old Lad but RW is an empoyee of the Club and can be 'sacked' at any point. I accept he is also a shareholder and main accomplice of JF, which obviously affords him some protection but a strong protest campaign may force the issue. :pray:Steadman_4_PM wrote:Pray tell, what should be done about it? Should RW walk? Should the BOD stand down? Like I've said a few times, none of that can / will happen until WR is sold and we've a new ground to move into. Before then, nobody in their right mind would take their shares out of the club..........or would you?
In many case I don't think its people not seeing what is going on, its that they've a vested interest / good reason why to hang around until the sale goes through. Yeah some may want to hang on afterwards, but its a huge carrot don't you think for those who can cash in?
I don't doubt that both of our young guns have considered the future propects of Cas but how many times has RW & Co said wait 'til next year? Indeed, I believe the Club is currently on it's third(?) 5 year business plan in less than 5 years.Steadman_4_PM wrote:...Equally I don't believe Joe or Shenny would have re signed had someone not outlined who we were trying to bring to the club. Just read Joe's comments on his time with England, does that sound like someone lacking ambition? Young yes but he could so easily have moved on, Cas supporter or not I believe he's seen what our plans are and believes they are creditble.
We'll see I know, time will tell and all that but we are where we are and there's no quick fix to stick in place is there? Why not take the franchise era as a great new start and real kick up the arse?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, RW has had his chances and failed time and time again. I've yet to see anything to change that view. I realyy do believe that if RW is still at the Club come the franchise era, we are doomed.
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True, although Cas seem to be on a different page to the likes of Wakey regards talking up gates. Wakey have long been known to add a few to the headcount, we on the other hand always seem keen to talk it down. Like you say its such an important year that you'd think they'd stop doing it.............but I'm not so sure.Flat Capper wrote:Those figures are supplied by the Club who surely do not want to risk saying we've got less supporters at this crucial time?
In theory yes he could be sacked, but who would give such a decision? If it came from the club operation then as CEO he's unlikely to sign his own P45 surely? Equally if it came from a shareholders vote we'd need the masses of dormant, uninterested shareholders to gang up on him otherwise he'd be albeit impossible to remove. Wouldn't he?Flat Capper wrote:Soory Old Lad but RW is an empoyee of the Club and can be 'sacked' at any point. I accept he is also a shareholder and main accomplice of JF, which obviously affords him some protection but a strong protest campaign may force the issue. :pray:
Don't get me wrong old lad I agree with you, we have seen a lot of it before and witnessed bugger all change in direction. But ever since the franchise era was muted and the new ground began looking feasible, nobody in their right mind with shares in the club (and no real desire to stay for ever) would walk until they could take a few quid away with them.Flat Capper wrote:I don't doubt that both of our young guns have considered the future propects of Cas but how many times has RW & Co said wait 'til next year? Indeed, I believe the Club is currently on it's third(?) 5 year business plan in less than 5 years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, RW has had his chances and failed time and time again. I've yet to see anything to change that view. I realyy do believe that if RW is still at the Club come the franchise era, we are doomed.
It might be blind faith, but equally it might just be the best chance we've ever had to cut out some, and I repeat some, of the deadwood. I fancy RW will hang around, I also fancy some of the BOD however will be replaced. Maybe its just a case of if not after leaving WR, when? Its the perfect time for change, if it doesn't happen I fancy it'll never happen. :neutral:
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It will not happen mate, it will be one love child after another .Steadman_4_PM wrote:True, although Cas seem to be on a different page to the likes of Wakey regards talking up gates. Wakey have long been known to add a few to the headcount, we on the other hand always seem keen to talk it down. Like you say its such an important year that you'd think they'd stop doing it.............but I'm not so sure.Flat Capper wrote:Those figures are supplied by the Club who surely do not want to risk saying we've got less supporters at this crucial time?
In theory yes he could be sacked, but who would give such a decision? If it came from the club operation then as CEO he's unlikely to sign his own P45 surely? Equally if it came from a shareholders vote we'd need the masses of dormant, uninterested shareholders to gang up on him otherwise he'd be albeit impossible to remove. Wouldn't he?Flat Capper wrote:Soory Old Lad but RW is an empoyee of the Club and can be 'sacked' at any point. I accept he is also a shareholder and main accomplice of JF, which obviously affords him some protection but a strong protest campaign may force the issue. :pray:
Don't get me wrong old lad I agree with you, we have seen a lot of it before and witnessed bugger all change in direction. But ever since the franchise era was muted and the new ground began looking feasible, nobody in their right mind with shares in the club (and no real desire to stay for ever) would walk until they could take a few quid away with them.Flat Capper wrote:I don't doubt that both of our young guns have considered the future propects of Cas but how many times has RW & Co said wait 'til next year? Indeed, I believe the Club is currently on it's third(?) 5 year business plan in less than 5 years.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, RW has had his chances and failed time and time again. I've yet to see anything to change that view. I realyy do believe that if RW is still at the Club come the franchise era, we are doomed.
It might be blind faith, but equally it might just be the best chance we've ever had to cut out some, and I repeat some, of the deadwood. I fancy RW will hang around, I also fancy some of the BOD however will be replaced. Maybe its just a case of if not after leaving WR, when? Its the perfect time for change, if it doesn't happen I fancy it'll never happen. :neutral:
Thing is for me, given we get a franchise it will be same old same old . In the 3rd year of ouf franchise we will spend money on the players to finish mid table and retain our franchise, after that back to normal for two years i.e bottom or there abouts . We should really have faith in RW and the rest for what they have done in the last several years .
Yeah !
Maybe they don't want to stand down because they want to rectify the mistakes they've made in seasons gone by.
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Each and everyone one of us can speculate on what the future may hold for CAs and it's administrators. Personally, when anylising such matters, I like to base my 'predictions' on the historic facts.
These clearly indicate that RW & Co have not been able to deliver so like I say, until I see concrete evidence to the contrary, I share the view of Wicksy and say enough is enough.
These clearly indicate that RW & Co have not been able to deliver so like I say, until I see concrete evidence to the contrary, I share the view of Wicksy and say enough is enough.
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:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:Flat Capper wrote:Each and everyone one of us can speculate on what the future may hold for CAs and it's administrators. Personally, when anylising such matters, I like to base my 'predictions' on the historic facts.
These clearly indicate that RW & Co have not been able to deliver so like I say, until I see concrete evidence to the contrary, I share the view of Wicksy and say enough is enough.
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