The Forgotten Squad
- The Happy Hooker
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Thought I should inform all Tigers supporters about how our much beloved club responds to guys who may not have outstanding potential, be the next Joe Westerman/Rich Owen but have put their bodys on the line when called to do so, had to take time off from work to travel to Warrington mid week because the club 'cocked-up' the original start time for the Saturdays match, and loose and therefore end up having to pay for the priviledge of playing rugby.
Who are this much maligned set of guys you might ask, the answer is the Castleford Tigers Reserves who have not had any sort of official presentation evening laid on by the club to reward theIr endvours under extreeme odds, for such as Coaches Player of the Year awards etc etc.
We seem fit to 'honour' the SL side and ther Academy, but we are a little short of thanking the guys that represented CASTLEFORD TIGERS in the Reserves COMP.
Okay, they finished bottom, they were in some matches totally outclassed but what can you expect when in some matches they were up against (v Hudds.) squads with International players and (v Wigan) some with an squad of player with extensive SL experience.
THEY IN ALL CASES TRIED AN NEVER LET CTRFC DOWN
All matches were completed and they did not have to concede a game due to not being able to fulfill a fixture due lack of playres
I have e-mailed my dissapointment at this shabby, unproffesional treatment of these guys to the club but as yet have had no response.
Therefore I would take this opportunity to say to ALL WHO REPRESENTED CASTLEFORD TIGERS RESERVES..........
WELL DONE I APPLAUD YOU ALL
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Who are this much maligned set of guys you might ask, the answer is the Castleford Tigers Reserves who have not had any sort of official presentation evening laid on by the club to reward theIr endvours under extreeme odds, for such as Coaches Player of the Year awards etc etc.
We seem fit to 'honour' the SL side and ther Academy, but we are a little short of thanking the guys that represented CASTLEFORD TIGERS in the Reserves COMP.
Okay, they finished bottom, they were in some matches totally outclassed but what can you expect when in some matches they were up against (v Hudds.) squads with International players and (v Wigan) some with an squad of player with extensive SL experience.
THEY IN ALL CASES TRIED AN NEVER LET CTRFC DOWN
All matches were completed and they did not have to concede a game due to not being able to fulfill a fixture due lack of playres
I have e-mailed my dissapointment at this shabby, unproffesional treatment of these guys to the club but as yet have had no response.
Therefore I would take this opportunity to say to ALL WHO REPRESENTED CASTLEFORD TIGERS RESERVES..........
WELL DONE I APPLAUD YOU ALL
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Well as i suggested for the Boxing day fixture, Cas 1st team vs Cas Reserves i would rather see that than Featherstone (yawn) to be honest.
Also playing infront of TM cannot do them any harm aswell, give the guys in that team who deserve a shot at 1st team an audience and see what they can do from there.
But good post :clap:
Also playing infront of TM cannot do them any harm aswell, give the guys in that team who deserve a shot at 1st team an audience and see what they can do from there.
But good post :clap:
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Fully, I don't think you understand the fundementals here.Fully wrote:Isn't the reserves a mixture of first teamers and Under 18's anyway. I agree in some respects, but I've got a feeling this is why.
At Normanton Knights, we have an open age + an U18's, the first team is a team which is picked during traning, of which in all honesty could be 50 players.
But in reality in never happens that way at amateur level, or even semi-pro level. So when gaps appear, people slot in.
At our club, we have a presentation night, for the 1st team, 2nd team and the U18's all on the same night, reason being a player could have played for all 3 at some point.
If Cas Tigers have forgotten/dismissed the U21's, its an absolute disgrace, as they are part of the club and should not be dismissed as nearly men, who JUST fulfilled the clubs SL requirements.
I understand where HH is coming from and he has good reason to do so.
I applaud the U21's for putting so much effort into their season, because if they did'nt' Cas would not have had a franchise.
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The trouble is: there's no such thing as the Under 21's any more. It's the reserves, and the reserves are mainly made up of fringe first-teamers and some youngsters that are good enough to make the step-up.
If you look on Castigers.net at which people have played, there are a load of first teamers and some under 18's which have played both reserves and academy rugby.
At the end of the day, the reserves is a pointless exercise as emphasised by several coaches saying the same.
While I'm not taking away the credit for them for their efforts, they will have been present at either the main squad's award ceremonies or the under 18's.
If you look on Castigers.net at which people have played, there are a load of first teamers and some under 18's which have played both reserves and academy rugby.
At the end of the day, the reserves is a pointless exercise as emphasised by several coaches saying the same.
While I'm not taking away the credit for them for their efforts, they will have been present at either the main squad's award ceremonies or the under 18's.
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- Flat Capper
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But why? The first-teamers are in there because they're not good enough to play for the main side.Why should they be awarded/rewarded for not being good enough? At the end of the day I know there should be an award, but most of those that are youngsters will have been recognised in some form at the Under 18's.Flat Capper wrote:But was there a Reserves player of the year, etc recognised at either the First team or U18's award cerermony? If not then it is a disgrace and someone should hang their head in shame.
I'm not a big fan of reserve games. It's only there for match fitness and is in no way competitive. I believe that now the quota is being reduced there should be a straight transition - possibly making the academy an Under-21 competition - to first team.
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I would say the award for any 21's player, is that of a first team game and there's no need for end of season player of the year etc.
The reserve competition isn't what it used to be, times have changed and maybe if it was a genuine 21's comp then I would agree with awards etc. but it's not. It's the transition for the 18's to hopefully make another step towards the first team squad, but it's not a comp we take seriously, because after an initial period in the 21's our best youngsters generally go out on loan to play first team at NL level, or they go into our first team.
We do need a reserve team, especially so when we will have a squad of maybe 28 in 2009 so that players not involved in the first team on any particular weekend will get some kind of game time and keep match fit for times when they are required for the big league.
The 21's league is meaningless as a competition though, but unfortunately there really is no alternative.
The reserve competition isn't what it used to be, times have changed and maybe if it was a genuine 21's comp then I would agree with awards etc. but it's not. It's the transition for the 18's to hopefully make another step towards the first team squad, but it's not a comp we take seriously, because after an initial period in the 21's our best youngsters generally go out on loan to play first team at NL level, or they go into our first team.
We do need a reserve team, especially so when we will have a squad of maybe 28 in 2009 so that players not involved in the first team on any particular weekend will get some kind of game time and keep match fit for times when they are required for the big league.
The 21's league is meaningless as a competition though, but unfortunately there really is no alternative.
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There should be a limit to how many 1st teamers play in the 21’s to make it a fairer competition, even if people are saying its ‘pointless’. I think it should be as competitive as ever like any rugby competition is. If the 1st team want to/need to throw players in then let them but give them a limit on how many they can, so it doesn’t become the ‘Cas not good enough’s’!
There’s talent in that 21’s (although they finished bottom) but we know why, due to other teams playing internationals etc and real good players. I for one don’t think it should be ruined by players who can’t make the first 17!
There’s talent in that 21’s (although they finished bottom) but we know why, due to other teams playing internationals etc and real good players. I for one don’t think it should be ruined by players who can’t make the first 17!
WHELDON-ROAD-END wrote:There should be a limit to how many 1st teamers play in the 21’s to make it a fairer competition, even if people are saying its ‘pointless’. I think it should be as competitive as ever like any rugby competition is. If the 1st team want to/need to throw players in then let them but give them a limit on how many they can, so it doesn’t become the ‘Cas not good enough’s’!
There’s talent in that 21’s (although they finished bottom) but we know why, due to other teams playing internationals etc and real good players. I for one don’t think it should be ruined by players who can’t make the first 17!
So Featherstone shouldn't be allowed to play in your book then
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But it isn't the under 21's its the reserves or as you put it, "Cas not good enough's". the point of the reserves is for players in the squad not quite up to SL, and youngsters too good for the 18's, and also to get players just back from injury back to match fitness.WHELDON-ROAD-END wrote:There should be a limit to how many 1st teamers play in the 21’s to make it a fairer competition, even if people are saying its ‘pointless’. I think it should be as competitive as ever like any rugby competition is. If the 1st team want to/need to throw players in then let them but give them a limit on how many they can, so it doesn’t become the ‘Cas not good enough’s’!
There’s talent in that 21’s (although they finished bottom) but we know why, due to other teams playing internationals etc and real good players. I for one don’t think it should be ruined by players who can’t make the first 17!
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gavsdad wrote:WHELDON-ROAD-END wrote:There should be a limit to how many 1st teamers play in the 21’s to make it a fairer competition, even if people are saying its ‘pointless’. I think it should be as competitive as ever like any rugby competition is. If the 1st team want to/need to throw players in then let them but give them a limit on how many they can, so it doesn’t become the ‘Cas not good enough’s’!
There’s talent in that 21’s (although they finished bottom) but we know why, due to other teams playing internationals etc and real good players. I for one don’t think it should be ruined by players who can’t make the first 17!
So Featherstone shouldn't be allowed to play in your book then
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I'm a little confused. Are you suggesting there should be no reward for the guys that have turned out at the request of the Club to fulfill a fixture list the Club have agreed to participate in?Fully wrote:But why? The first-teamers are in there because they're not good enough to play for the main side.Why should they be awarded/rewarded for not being good enough? At the end of the day I know there should be an award, but most of those that are youngsters will have been recognised in some form at the Under 18's.Flat Capper wrote:But was there a Reserves player of the year, etc recognised at either the First team or U18's award cerermony? If not then it is a disgrace and someone should hang their head in shame.
I'm not a big fan of reserve games. It's only there for match fitness and is in no way competitive. I believe that now the quota is being reduced there should be a straight transition - possibly making the academy an Under-21 competition - to first team.
The Reserves may not carry the kudos they once did but I'd hazard a guess it's still no easy task to turn up and play? It also carries a little more importance that the average u9's game and I'd bet there'd be uproar if the local Club decided not to reward those youngsters that had played their part in the season's efforts?
Is it really too much to ask the Club to recognise these players as part of the annual first team awards cerermony?
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I think the point is that it's hard to judge. Do you give poor first teamers such as Haberecht an award for being good at reserve grade or do you give an 18-year-old the award for being the best at reserve grade? Reason would dictate that they would then get the same award for the academy level, which is kinda pointless.
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