Saints on BH Monday

[init]

I'm not overly concerned.

Before today Saints had the 2nd best defence in the league behind us. Their problems wasn't defending, it was scoring points.

Similar to Salford, seems like too many mistakes cost us when the game was there for the taking. Was always going to be a tough ask over Easter to go and get 2 wins.

Key is to go to Hull now and not let this be the moment we fall off the pace.

Agree Hudds..Hull will be the test, our mistakes are our Achilles heel and I dont expect us to run away with the game next week...keep our errors under control and we are good enough to win...carry on with our mistakes and it will cost us again.

I said to my mate if we cut out our own errors then even when we are playing poorly we will win more than lose

I just hope DP is seeing the same things we are

[SuffolkTiger]

I genuinely can't believe some of the reactions of some people on here, you'd think Cas had lost every game this year!

Cas have lost 2 games - one in awful conditions against the team 2nd in the table and a game where they haven't played that badly in a year.

In both cases the difference was still only a wrong forward pass call and a missed knock on.

Think about that - in 2 games where Cas were 2nd best and not at the races, they still could have won them and sit there unbeaten.

It's not a time for common sense and level headed, fact based thinking....!!!

You are bang on right though.... Great post.

[duke street 10]

If we were still coached by Millward or Matterson when Saints got to 20-8 there would have been a blow out on the scoreboard.
In the end we lost by 4 points,learn from this and move on. Also am i right in thinking we only have Leigh to play in the league west of the pennines?. Saints,Warrington,Wigan,Salford & Widnes all ticked off!....and they have to come to us now C.O.Y.F!

[fords]

I genuinely can't believe some of the reactions of some people on here, you'd think Cas had lost every game this year!

Cas have lost 2 games - one in awful conditions against the team 2nd in the table and a game where they haven't played that badly in a year.

In both cases the difference was still only a wrong forward pass call and a missed knock on.

Think about that - in 2 games where Cas were 2nd best and not at the races, they still could have won them and sit there unbeaten.

It's not a time for common sense and level headed, fact based thinking....!!!

You are bang on right though.... Great post.

Some proper soft tries today. Shenton effort for 1st try was woeful along with the other 10 grabs at him running across the park.

2 others were poor aswell.

Can't and don't expect to win them all.

Still top :dance:

If we play like we have done in 8 out of the 10 games I can see us beating hull

[init]

I genuinely can't believe some of the reactions of some people on here, you'd think Cas had lost every game this year!

Cas have lost 2 games - one in awful conditions against the team 2nd in the table and a game where they haven't played that badly in a year.

In both cases the difference was still only a wrong forward pass call and a missed knock on.

Think about that - in 2 games where Cas were 2nd best and not at the races, they still could have won them and sit there unbeaten.

It's not a time for common sense and level headed, fact based thinking....!!!

You are bang on right though.... Great post.

The reaction is to the way we are losing close games - twice we have lost them, justifying the loses by saying we lost to a forward pass or a missed knock on, is exactly the same as saying... we would of won the game if Cook hadnt messed up the kick off or given the penalty that cost us the second try, or Hardaker knocking on that cost us a try

What is being discussed is not that we lost narrowly but the amount of unnecessary pressure we put on ourselves in games that are tight... and how in these games our errors have cost us, we were completely dominating the game today until Cook's error, that cost us the first try, Cooks penalty on the following kick off cost us the second try.

I would offer that had those error on error s not been made despite not being at our best we would have gone on to win.

The momentum of the game changed at that point significantly.

I am upset with the manner of our loss because we have shown in close games that we are coming up short and I think the issue is within our own hands to rectify, losing to a missed knock on or a forward pass is not in our hands thats someone elses responsibility.

i like everyone else am delighted with what we have been doing this season however I would like to think that we can debate the areas of our game which twice now have IMO cost us the two close games we have had this season.

[Juscas]

Not the end of the world we made too many errors and saints looked decent today.tidy a few bits up and keep putting the same effort in and we will be there or there abouts at the end of the year

[Normy-Tiger]

Warrington Away
Saints Away
Wigan Away
Widnes Away
Salford Away
Hull Away (next week)

Pretty much played all the touch games away from home in the first half of the season. They all have to come to us now where we are averaging nearly 50points a game at home.

Win or lose next week we will still be top at the half way mark of the regular season having played all them teams away. I really think this is a great achievement.

[gateman]

one of my favourite players Big Jake was a bit of the pace today I thought he may have been rested today, after the Wakefield match he looked out on his feet, I like a lot more fans who were there today thought the try the winger got should have been disallowed it like there was a knock on in the build up shame there was no video ref today

[Normy-Tiger]

Warrington Away
Saints Away
Wigan Away
Widnes Away
Salford Away
Hull Away (next week)

Pretty much played all the touch games away from home in the first half of the season. They all have to come to us now where we are averaging nearly 50points a game at home.

Win or lose next week we will still be top at the half way mark of the regular season having played all them teams away. I really think this is a great achievement.

If somebody offerem me 8 or 9 wins from opening 11 games having played all them games away.... I would have taken it no questions asked. Top of the league too win or lose as Leeds and Salford dont play next week.

[daytona]

We lost today through no lack of effort. Some of our goal line defence was sensational when under immense pressure. Our handling and discipline were poor as was our kicking game but I certainly wouldn't be too concerned with defeat like some are on here.
I think also Saints deserve some credit for playing really well. Percival was outstanding as was Marty Smiths short kicking game forcing countless drop outs which in the end probably proved decisive. Stay humble, take the defeat on the chin and move on to Hull. #COYF

[The Firm]

Not at our best today but we can't be on the top of our game every time, especially over the easter period. Learn from it and move on.

[tigerfeat]

Thought we looked far better team early doors messing up kick off after wed gone 8-0 up turning point they scored two quick trys and fancied it once theyd hit front

[Black n Amber]

I genuinely can't believe some of the reactions of some people on here, you'd think Cas had lost every game this year!

Cas have lost 2 games - one in awful conditions against the team 2nd in the table and a game where they haven't played that badly in a year.

In both cases the difference was still only a wrong forward pass call and a missed knock on.

Think about that - in 2 games where Cas were 2nd best and not at the races, they still could have won them and sit there unbeaten.

It's not a time for common sense and level headed, fact based thinking....!!!

You are bang on right though.... Great post.

The reaction is to the way we are losing close games - twice we have lost them, justifying the loses by saying we lost to a forward pass or a missed knock on, is exactly the same as saying... we would of won the game if Cook hadnt messed up the kick off or given the penalty that cost us the second try, or Hardaker knocking on that cost us a try

What is being discussed is not that we lost narrowly but the amount of unnecessary pressure we put on ourselves in games that are tight... and how in these games our errors have cost us, we were completely dominating the game today until Cook's error, that cost us the first try, Cooks penalty on the following kick off cost us the second try.

I would offer that had those error on error s not been made despite not being at our best we would have gone on to win.

The momentum of the game changed at that point significantly.

I am upset with the manner of our loss because we have shown in close games that we are coming up short and I think the issue is within our own hands to rectify, losing to a missed knock on or a forward pass is not in our hands thats someone elses responsibility.

i like everyone else am delighted with what we have been doing this season however I would like to think that we can debate the areas of our game which twice now have IMO cost us the two close games we have had this season.

I'm not of the mindset that Cooks error was the turning point, nor could he be blamed for that restart, it looked as though it was completely shanked to the point it was spiralling visciously and most would of had a job on trapping that, what was poor was Shenton's effort in stopping the try scorer Fleming, a 1 on 1 he got pushed aside all too easily, that got them on the board, what shifted the momentum was what followed when Adz shot out of the line looking to intercept, he came up short and opened the door for Douglas to score with his 1st touch a the ball, had Milner taken that he'd of strolled under the sticks and we'd of been 14-6 ahead, he didn't and 6-8 quickly became 20-8, not a mountain to climb, but the way we got pinged by Campbell all afternoon it didn't give us much of a chance.

[tigerfeat]

I dont think they played the ball once all afternoon from where they were tackled

[fast hands]

Just been on official stains site , seems they know how we will line up, Rangi in for Benny who drops to bench, Gadwin and Matt Cook the two to miss out. We will see when we get to ground, but can't see Roberts not starting.

Erm, no they don't. They've just listed our squad in number order which just happens to be our 1-19!!!

Pretty sharp Fumper, just got back from the dark side, saw my mistake , worse than the referee today.

[CasRus]

This was always going to be a close game just like the one at Salford, however Cas have to learn to be a "Great" side on these hard fixtures and not just "Very Good" - it's cutting out the stupid mistakes like knocking on when getting up to play the ball, keeping the mindset to ensure defence line is covered and solid, learn to move up in a line when offensive ball player is running across horizontally and not standing off, taking time to to find touch when a penalty is awarded, not switching off after going up on the scoreboard from kickoff - All these issues come down to having Focus, Concentration and Situational Awareness at all times - these are the reasons we have lost these close games as DP has got the team tactically near perfect. Hope the lads can work on focus/attention side of training as nothing would beat us otherwise. This is not meant as any criticism of the team but hopefully taken as trying to be constructive in becoming a finished article and not having that "room for improvement" tag occasionally coming out of the desk drawer !

[Tamworth Tiger]

Now is the time in the season to be losing and learning lessons from games like this in readiness for taking on the bigger teams at the business end of the season

[Flat Capper]

Not wanting to get into this "hoodoo" malarchy I simply look at the game and can't help but feel bitterly disappointed with the overall performance - nothing more, nothing less.

I can only assume the "hoodoo" tag had the players trying too hard to overcome it rather than just going out and playing the game-plan.

The one main aspect for me was our kicks on the last tackle when compared to Saints. they forced numerous goal line drop outs and I can't recall if we forced 1? However good your goal line defence is, it will always succumb in the end if their relentless pressure and when you thrown in the errors in your own quarter, you're going to concede tries.

[Scoopage]

Not wanting to get into this "hoodoo" malarchy I simply look at the game and can't help but feel bitterly disappointed with the overall performance - nothing more, nothing less.

I can only assume the "hoodoo" tag had the players trying too hard to overcome it rather than just going out and playing the game-plan.

The one main aspect for me was our kicks on the last tackle when compared to Saints. they forced numerous goal line drop outs and I can't recall if we forced 1? However good your goal line defence is, it will always succumb in the end if their relentless pressure and when you thrown in the errors in your own quarter, you're going to concede tries.

I don't recall many games we force goal line drop outs.think we always have the confidence to score a try.when it doesn't come off it's simply a hand over.think this is something we should try to introduce more often into our game forcing back to back sets

[HuddsTigers]

Comes down to the kicking game. It seems we're trying to avoid 7 tackle sets which is understandable (a result of kicking the ball dead). But little dribbles through the line are surely more preferable to an easy high kick to the corner with no chase.