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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by Tamworth Tiger » 09 Oct 2018, 20:04

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tigerfeat wrote:just had a look on leeds forum and gale getting ripped apart for his performance on friday dont know if thats the same over facebook and the like suspect it may be
This time the criticism is justified, he was awful on Friday
Playing behind a pack that got bullied. Any half back on the planet would have looked ordinary behind our front 6 on Friday.

It's what happens when you play 2nd rowers at prop - especially at Wigan in a semi
Having a significant knee injury may explain why he was ‘awful’.Most would be

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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by gateman » 09 Oct 2018, 20:42

well its gone from a major knee injury to one that will take four to six weeks that will do for me get, well soon Luke we are a better team team with you in it

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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by tigerfeat » 09 Oct 2018, 20:53

Tamworth Tiger wrote:
SuffolkTiger wrote:
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tigerfeat wrote:just had a look on leeds forum and gale getting ripped apart for his performance on friday dont know if thats the same over facebook and the like suspect it may be
This time the criticism is justified, he was awful on Friday
Playing behind a pack that got bullied. Any half back on the planet would have looked ordinary behind our front 6 on Friday.

It's what happens when you play 2nd rowers at prop - especially at Wigan in a semi
Having a significant knee injury may explain why he was ‘awful’.Most would be
Top players turn the game around in adversity Sam Burgess got his jaw broke in the first minute of a grand final played the rest of the 80 minutes and got man of the match and won the game for his team gale was totally outplayed by Maguire in last year's grand final and he was poor on Friday making excuses for players is part of the problem we have in my opinion
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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by braytontiger » 09 Oct 2018, 21:01

tigerfeat wrote:
Tamworth Tiger wrote:
SuffolkTiger wrote:
the machine wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:just had a look on leeds forum and gale getting ripped apart for his performance on friday dont know if thats the same over facebook and the like suspect it may be
This time the criticism is justified, he was awful on Friday
Playing behind a pack that got bullied. Any half back on the planet would have looked ordinary behind our front 6 on Friday.

It's what happens when you play 2nd rowers at prop - especially at Wigan in a semi
Having a significant knee injury may explain why he was ‘awful’.Most would be
Top players turn the game around in adversity Sam Burgess got his jaw broke in the first minute of a grand final played the rest of the 80 minutes and got man of the match and won the game for his team gale was totally outplayed by Maguire in last year's grand final and he was poor on Friday making excuses for players is part of the problem we have in my opinion
Cheekbone and tbf you don't need that to run or kick whilst I'd say it's uncomfortable you would get through a game. Gale's biggest problem last Friday was he was playing behind a pack that were well beaten the same as in the grand final.some of our forwards that were poor Friday were the same ones that fluffed they're lines at old Trafford.

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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by tigerfeat » 09 Oct 2018, 21:17

Burgess face was a mess he must have been in a lot of pain I think gale and truey will be the best two half backs in comp next season but there needs to be a you will beat us over are dead body's mentality in these big games next season if there's not the same thing will happen
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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by init » 09 Oct 2018, 21:42

Milo dosent think its a mental thing...i beg to differ ... your mindset has to change in big games and ours does not.

Firstly we have to get a win at all cost attitude and instill this right from pre season....more than anything else beat Sts in their back yard....thats the way to break that winning barrier...beating Saints....everything should be geared to that game

beat them and we will know how to get the monkey off of our back in the big games.....winning the mental battle is everything and in the end of season games using the mental toughness to get that Sts win will be the factor that gets us over the line

just a thought

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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by braytontiger » 09 Oct 2018, 21:46

tigerfeat wrote:Burgess face was a mess he must have been in a lot of pain I think gale and truey will be the best two half backs in comp next season but there needs to be a you will beat us over are dead body's mentality in these big games next season if there's not the same thing will happen

Agree on that and I might be in a minority here but I don't blame Luke gale one bit either for Friday or the grand final. It's in the coal face where we are losing these games by not fronting up in the middle,we could have had Jonathan thurston in the halves and we would have still lost whilst our middle men continually cough the ball when put under intense pressure. We really lack some Mongeral in our pack other than watts and we are too nice. All well and good having forwards that can play at the line and tip on but we need another couple of props that put the opposition on the back foot by driving hard.

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Post by tigerfeat » 09 Oct 2018, 21:49

Our own coach as said he's not having it next year the team not having the right mental attitude and so on I just think making excuses ..we set off too soon we had too much time on are hands and all that crap is part of the problem but that's just me
And yes I take your point mate about half backs behind beaten packs
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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by Tamworth Tiger » 09 Oct 2018, 22:00

Nobody was complaining about Gale not having the right attitude when he got out of his hospital bed and kicked us to Old Trafford last year.
Sorry if that fact doesn’t fit your argument

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Post by braytontiger » 09 Oct 2018, 22:07

tigerfeat wrote:Our own coach as said he's not having it next year the team having got the right mental attitude and so on I just think making excuses ..we set off too soon we had too much time on are hands and all that crap is part of the problem but that's just me
And yes I take your point mate about half backs behind beaten packs
I still think there are elements of the club/team that still have the small club mentality,there is also a portion of fans with the same ethos that we are punching above our weight. The club/players and fans need to be more ruthless in its approach and that attitude needs to change.after all if we don't believe we can be the best we never will be.

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Post by tigerfeat » 09 Oct 2018, 22:14

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tigerfeat wrote:Our own coach as said he's not having it next year the team having got the right mental attitude and so on I just think making excuses ..we set off too soon we had too much time on are hands and all that crap is part of the problem but that's just me
And yes I take your point mate about half backs behind beaten packs
I still think there are elements of the club/team that still have the small club mentality,there is also a portion of fans with the same ethos that we are punching above our weight. The club/players and fans need to be more ruthless in its approach and that attitude needs to change.after all if we don't believe we can be the best we never will be.
Yeah I was going to put something same the other day about people saying I'm happy playing in sem-finals and finals it's better than what we had to put up with for a long time we've got a great chance over next two years to win c.cups and grand finals but there needs to be a change in attitude and I'm not sure there will be but we've got the right coach to try and make that happen
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Re: Gale pulls out England Squad

Post by SuffolkTiger » 10 Oct 2018, 00:02

braytontiger wrote:
tigerfeat wrote:Burgess face was a mess he must have been in a lot of pain I think gale and truey will be the best two half backs in comp next season but there needs to be a you will beat us over are dead body's mentality in these big games next season if there's not the same thing will happen

Agree on that and I might be in a minority here but I don't blame Luke gale one bit either for Friday or the grand final. It's in the coal face where we are losing these games by not fronting up in the middle,we could have had Jonathan thurston in the halves and we would have still lost whilst our middle men continually cough the ball when put under intense pressure. We really lack some Mongeral in our pack other than watts and we are too nice. All well and good having forwards that can play at the line and tip on but we need another couple of props that put the opposition on the back foot by driving hard.
Agree Brayton. All day long.

This is where our main problems lie.

Sometimes you just have to intimidate the opposition mentally & physically before you can play a bit of rugby. As my dad used to say when he watched my team - "sicken 'em first then you can do what you want after that"

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Post by dude » 10 Oct 2018, 01:18

nobody think our problem is our attack is too predictable, we go left all time gale then passes to either pm or ms who just slow it down. we rarely go right. better defensive teams (saints and wigan) just dont commit when we go left no one shoots the line leaving us with nowhere to go. is this our right edges fault for not calling for ball or is it mcshane who ignores it and goes left?imo we have a lot of things to fix for next season, it doesnt matter who we sign or who replaces webster in centre if were not going to give them the ball

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Post by RonnieGibbs'forearm » 10 Oct 2018, 07:32

dude wrote:nobody think our problem is our attack is too predictable, we go left all time gale then passes to either pm or ms who just slow it down. we rarely go right. better defensive teams (saints and wigan) just dont commit when we go left no one shoots the line leaving us with nowhere to go. is this our right edges fault for not calling for ball or is it mcshane who ignores it and goes left?imo we have a lot of things to fix for next season, it doesnt matter who we sign or who replaces webster in centre if were not going to give them the ball
Think Wigan defended really well. Line speed was good all game and they pushed the limits with setting off early. We looked slow though. Spilled ball. Didn't make a break and had no overlap or significant tackle busts.
When Hudds beat us at home this year it was crazy how many runners they had at times. Options all over the park and we couldn't handle or read it. Plus they had forwards who battered us. That's what I wanted to see last Friday but we had nothing.
Big task to shake the choker tag now. DP came with it from some quarters and we have shown it on 3 or 4 occasions.
It's alright saying it won't be accepted again. They have to do it. With an aging squad, potentially against stronger teams.
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Post by Tamworth Tiger » 10 Oct 2018, 07:53

I think the top teams, particularly the top three have found us out on the wings and defended our attacking plays really well. Wigan in particular had Shenny wrapped up almost as soon as he had the ball and Gale who was clearly not at his best for whatever reason was not putting in the long cut out passes.
The forwards weren’t making the yards so we were relying on Gale kicking with what has turned out to be an injured knee and Roberts whose kicking was ineffective. We appear not to be using McShane in the same way since Gale came back and really missed Trueman. Up front the load was too heavy for Millo and Watts against the biggest team in the comp and we really missed Moors particularly with Cook not available too.
There is undoubtedly work to be done on attitude but we also need to try and freshen our squad. My worry is about where are the players going to come from?
The really good ones are trying out in Aus, some of the next ones off the rank are trying Canada and the South of France and a lot of promising youngsters are leaving the sport at 19.
Our best young player isn’t a local product and other younger players in the squad of varying degrees of ability like Springer, Maher and O’Neill aren’t from Cas.
Attitude in big games is certainly one problem, but not the only one.

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Post by braytontiger » 10 Oct 2018, 09:13

Tamworth Tiger wrote:I think the top teams, particularly the top three have found us out on the wings and defended our attacking plays really well. Wigan in particular had Shenny wrapped up almost as soon as he had the ball and Gale who was clearly not at his best for whatever reason was not putting in the long cut out passes.
The forwards weren’t making the yards so we were relying on Gale kicking with what has turned out to be an injured knee and Roberts whose kicking was ineffective. We appear not to be using McShane in the same way since Gale came back and really missed Trueman. Up front the load was too heavy for Millo and Watts against the biggest team in the comp and we really missed Moors particularly with Cook not available too.
There is undoubtedly work to be done on attitude but we also need to try and freshen our squad. My worry is about where are the players going to come from?
The really good ones are trying out in Aus, some of the next ones off the rank are trying Canada and the South of France and a lot of promising youngsters are leaving the sport at 19.
Our best young player isn’t a local product and other younger players in the squad of varying degrees of ability like Springer, Maher and O’Neill aren’t from Cas.
Attitude in big games is certainly one problem, but not the only one.
Yet 5 cas lads all under 20 will be first team squad members next year at other super league clubs. :-k the talent is there.

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Post by tigerfeat » 10 Oct 2018, 09:37

I think all these things need to be looked at it's very hard for a young guy to get a chance at cas hence talent leaves the club
I suppose the thinking at Wigan who tend to use there young players more is there likely to show more minerals in big games if it gets sqeeky bum time
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Post by Nobody » 10 Oct 2018, 11:36

In hospital this morning on Instagram, guessing for knee operation
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Post by SWISS TONY!! » 10 Oct 2018, 12:16

Do we know if Shenton is having a knee operation too? They mentioned the other night on forty20 live that he tore his mcl in the wakey game and still played against Wigan. Seeing his reaction at the wakey game and the look on his face you could tell it was serious. Anybody heard owt?
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Post by Fumper27 » 13 Oct 2018, 15:57

Just been told that the halves for the game against France are likely to be Liam Sutcliffe and Jake Connor.

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