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Salary Cap Theory Shocker?

Post by Mysterio » 25 Mar 2019, 12:17

could the following happen hypothetically?!

Lachlan Coote / Blake Austin for example (whomever the marquee player(s!) are)

Paid 2 million pounds per season. 150k counts on cap or whatever.

Austin actually receives £500k per season, and, somehow the rest of the £1.5m reaches other ‘worthy’ players in the squad....’somehow’ via Austin himself, arranged by his agent, bitcoin / whatever...whichever way it might be done.

Might sound absolutely ridiculous and the ultimate paranoid conspiracy theory, but, might some form of similar practice be being carried out by Wire/Saints/Wigan? I wouldn’t put anything past anyone who wants to win at all costs and we know cheating exists.

I just can’t get my head around how our squad and options taken compare to certain others. Not just the marquee players either, the ones in the ‘elite level’ but not marquee.

Apologies if I’ve wasted 5minutes of your life with my rantings.... :D
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Post by HuddsTigers » 25 Mar 2019, 13:33

Theoretically yes but I can see the tax man and bank having a bit of an issue with large scale payments being made for no apparent reason.

I'm also sure there's some mechanism in the salary cap regulations to protect against this but not sure how.
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Re: Salary Cap Theory Shocker?

Post by Hepworth7 » 25 Mar 2019, 16:52

I've no doubt whatsoever that some clubs are getting around the salary cap by some means or other. So you won't find me accusing you of being paranoid. As in a lot of sports managing quotas and caps has now become almost more of an art than coaching teams,rules are being stretched to the point of breaking,and if you are right and clubs are doing it there are only two ways to go,you either adopt the moral high ground and suffer as a result or you wise up and play the same game.

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Re: Salary Cap Theory Shocker?

Post by flow » 26 Mar 2019, 01:29

HuddsTigers wrote:Theoretically yes but I can see the tax man and bank having a bit of an issue with large scale payments being made for no apparent reason.

I'm also sure there's some mechanism in the salary cap regulations to protect against this but not sure how.
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Post by Mysterio » 26 Mar 2019, 08:07

:hand: This is what I'm talking about :lol:
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Re: Salary Cap Theory Shocker?

Post by Big Shug » 26 Mar 2019, 08:37

Wasn't Kris Radlinski's wife the highest paid cleaner in history when he declared he was playing at Wigan for free.

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Post by Fumper27 » 26 Mar 2019, 09:43

Big Shug wrote:Wasn't Kris Radlinski's wife the highest paid cleaner in history when he declared he was playing at Wigan for free.
Thought that was Steve Renouf’s missus

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Post by cogito ergo sum » 26 Mar 2019, 09:45

It was but all swept under the carpet...

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Post by mart0042 » 26 Mar 2019, 10:51

I think it's common place. Teams running with internationals in every position just can't get under the cap.

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Post by jackknife » 26 Mar 2019, 13:02

mart0042 wrote:I think it's common place. Teams running with internationals in every position just can't get under the cap.
English International get some of there wage taken off the cap dont then?
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Post by mart0042 » 26 Mar 2019, 13:09

jackknife wrote:
mart0042 wrote:I think it's common place. Teams running with internationals in every position just can't get under the cap.
English International get some of there wage taken off the cap dont then?
I think so but it's not a massive amount. I'm not sure if that's for all international teams or just British tbh.

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Re: Salary Cap Theory Shocker?

Post by westyorkylad » 26 Mar 2019, 13:12

I was looking at the Wire squad the other day when they were on telly and trying to tot up in my head how many of their players must be on 100k or over, looking at the players they prised away from other clubs like DC from us and BMM from Salford when we know that both clubs made what they termed as 'very good offers' to keep them and these were topped by Wire, its hard to envisage how our squad and theirs can in any way be on a level playing field in terms of spend, even taking the 2 x marquee players into account, which only discounts the payments above 150k in any case...........

Sts are in the same boat for me, Wigan seem to have a much more realistic squad when you look through it and ask yourself ok, how many of these are realistically 1ook+.

It is a bit of a mystery that's for sure. :?

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Post by heritage1926 » 26 Mar 2019, 14:12

westyorkylad wrote:I was looking at the Wire squad the other day when they were on telly and trying to tot up in my head how many of their players must be on 100k or over, looking at the players they prised away from other clubs like DC from us and BMM from Salford when we know that both clubs made what they termed as 'very good offers' to keep them and these were topped by Wire, its hard to envisage how our squad and theirs can in any way be on a level playing field in terms of spend, even taking the 2 x marquee players into account, which only discounts the payments above 150k in any case...........

Sts are in the same boat for me, Wigan seem to have a much more realistic squad when you look through it and ask yourself ok, how many of these are realistically 1ook+.

It is a bit of a mystery that's for sure. :?
You'd have to think
Warrington - Daz Clark, BMM, Austin, Hill, Charnley - possibly Goodwin and Jason Clark
St Helens - Coote, Naiqama, Roby, Makinson, Percival - possibly Warmsley (think Lomax wage is subsidised by the RFL with being home grown).

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Post by HuddsTigers » 26 Mar 2019, 14:15

Remember the finite salary cap is now £2m and that the only people who count towards it are top 25 earning players plus anyone outside that plays in a salary cap game. That's not accounting for dispensations either.

So a club could theoretically only play 25 players and they'd be the only ones that count, even if they have a squad of 35.

A club can use the following dispensations

£100k - Club Trained - anyone coming through their academy/playing 3 years under the age of 21 for a club
£15k - Player welfare - any club that meets a player welfare target can have this taken off
25% off cap for returning players from rugby union (5 years) though I'm sure I read Warrington have Charnley on this?
Marquee player allowance against UK and overseas players who have an ordinary salary cap value of over £175k
New talent dispensation (rugby union - counts as 0 in year 1 and 50% in year 2)

So in essence a club could theoretically have an extra £500k spending in wages as an example above the £2m cap ceiling. And don't forget the infamous central contracts the RFL gave to certain players including our own Mike McMeeken.

So they could use their £100k dispensation across someone like Ben Currie, £15k off for player welfare against someone else, marquee against Austin of say £75k. Then Burrell won't count this season. Then they may have Ratchford who only counts as £80k as he's been given another £50k for central contract.

So someone like Wire could theoretically be "spending" - £200k-300k over the finite cap with exemptions.

I'd also point out that while they have a lot of expensive players I'd say they also have a lot of cheap signings in their 25, who wouldn't count that much.

Hughes, Patton, Philbin, King, Livett, Walker, Mamo, Davis and Johnson and I reckon people like Akauola and Tasi won't be on that much either. Reckon all of these will be 80k or less
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