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Post by duke street 10 » 23 Aug 2017, 12:19

Id take Tagataese for us if thats the only deal available. With Lynch going,Brandon Douglas stepping up and Gadwin (hopefully) regaining some form we will be well stocked for forwards for 2018.

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 23 Aug 2017, 15:57

duke street 10 wrote:Id take Tagataese for us if thats the only deal available. With Lynch going,Brandon Douglas stepping up and Gadwin (hopefully) regaining some form we will be well stocked for forwards for 2018.
We are already well stocked for forwards without Tagataese.

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Post by laner » 25 Aug 2017, 19:03

Would think that there a lot of Cas fans that want to see a good quality prop added if the club wants to continue as one of the top teams in S/L the only way is adding quality over the years by not adding progress was suffered

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 25 Aug 2017, 19:17

laner wrote:Would think that there a lot of Cas fans that want to see a good quality prop added if the club wants to continue as one of the top teams in S/L the only way is adding quality over the years by not adding progress was suffered
It would be great to get him because he would replace Lynch extremely well but I feel that, with Shenton and Monaghan looking due to retire and Webster not having too long left, we need to buy some good quality backs. Not forwards

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Post by laner » 25 Aug 2017, 20:10

We are losing Lynch an experienced prop Springer is not reliable Maher can't see him as SL player that leaves us with Patrick and Douglas as back up to the tried and trusted senior players so I can't understand your opinion on props but I do agree with you on cover in the centre maybe DP will bring in a prop and a utility back to add to the Wardle signing

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 25 Aug 2017, 20:46

laner wrote:We are losing Lynch an experienced prop Springer is not reliable Maher can't see him as SL player that leaves us with Patrick and Douglas as back up to the tried and trusted senior players so I can't understand your opinion on props but I do agree with you on cover in the centre maybe DP will bring in a prop and a utility back to add to the Wardle signing
Yeah, there has been a lot of talk about Wardle playing back row and JSL playing prop like he used to for Cronulla. If that is correct then I dont see why we need any props with so many already in the team

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 25 Aug 2017, 21:05

If you think about it Moors, Cook, Springer, Sene Lefao, Patrick, Massey, Millington, Maher and Douglas can all play prop. 4 of those are regular players already so that leaves the other 5 as bench players or are out of the team. Other than the 2 that you mentioned I think that they are all more than qualified for a place in the starting line up. Therefore, we already have 3 good front rowers waiting at the sideline. We are not in need of props!

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Post by TheSheriff » 25 Aug 2017, 22:01

LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 25 Aug 2017, 22:25

TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Yes but we still need to buy other players and if we spend all of our money on forwards we will end up playing weak players out wide

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Post by HuddsTigers » 26 Aug 2017, 09:16

TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Are you really bagging Patrick and Massey, who are both props? Massey has been one of our more improved and consistent performers this season.

Patrick has done more than Springer has in his games too. Or is this just your personal angst against them?
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Post by old cas lass » 26 Aug 2017, 10:20

We need to replace Lynch. Simple as.

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Post by RonnieGibbs'forearm » 26 Aug 2017, 10:23

I would accept there is no need for another prop if Springer hadn't regressed so badly, Patrick had not been injured for most of the season and Maher struggling withhis iwn injuries and inability to convince.
Genyinely think we need someone with size.
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Post by RonnieGibbs'forearm » 26 Aug 2017, 10:23

old cas lass wrote:We need to replace Lynch. Simple as.
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Post by TheSheriff » 26 Aug 2017, 17:45

HuddsTigers wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Are you really bagging Patrick and Massey, who are both props? Massey has been one of our more improved and consistent performers this season.

Patrick has done more than Springer has in his games too. Or is this just your personal angst against them?
They're all average players, they're fine but when there's better available why not get better? Having players like that as squad players is, however, excellent.

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 26 Aug 2017, 18:14

TheSheriff wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Are you really bagging Patrick and Massey, who are both props? Massey has been one of our more improved and consistent performers this season.

Patrick has done more than Springer has in his games too. Or is this just your personal angst against them?
They're all average players, they're fine but when there's better available why not get better? Having players like that as squad players is, however, excellent.
You seem to be forgetting that we are limited to the amount that we can spend. We are a small club, have very few fans in comparison to many of the other teams, and need to replace the players that actually need replacing. Not just the ones where we think we could get somebody slightly better

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Post by Herbert Latch » 26 Aug 2017, 19:52

LeagueLeaders wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Are you really bagging Patrick and Massey, who are both props? Massey has been one of our more improved and consistent performers this season.

Patrick has done more than Springer has in his games too. Or is this just your personal angst against them?
They're all average players, they're fine but when there's better available why not get better? Having players like that as squad players is, however, excellent.
You seem to be forgetting that we are limited to the amount that we can spend. We are a small club, have very few fans in comparison to many of the other teams, and need to replace the players that actually need replacing. Not just the ones where we think we could get somebody slightly better
In English Rugby League terms we are a sizeable club. Our fan base is comparable to any other club, apart from Leeds, Wigan and Hull. When we get into a new stadium it will definitely increase further. We need to stop seeing ourselves as a small club, to a sizeable club based in a small town, but with a large catchment area, which is what we are. Saracens Rugby Union club went from playing on a park field in front of just a few hundred spectators to one of the biggest and best supported teams in the country by starting to look at themselves in those terms. We need to do the same.

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 26 Aug 2017, 20:37

Yes but they developed into a highly supported team and you aint gonna do that if you go out buying big named players in positions that arent a priority at the moment. Also, we aint a big club yet. At the wakefield game we had 11 thousand or something like that, Leeds get more than that in just home fans at games that dont even matter to them. Plus, you say other than Leeds, Wigan and Hull. Do you not realise that that is a quater of the entire league? and if we are to be a top four team we need to match the top 3, not sit here saying that it is all about how you look at yourselves. The point is we have £200,000 to pay out next year for the World Club game and are still paying for the new stadium. We do not have the money to buy players who arent necessarily needed.
Btw, I couldnt quote as we exceeded the 5 maximum

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Post by TT Tiger » 26 Aug 2017, 20:52

LeagueLeaders wrote:Yes but they developed into a highly supported team and you aint gonna do that if you go out buying big named players in positions that arent a priority at the moment. Also, we aint a big club yet. At the wakefield game we had 11 thousand or something like that, Leeds get more than that in just home fans at games that dont even matter to them. Plus, you say other than Leeds, Wigan and Hull. Do you not realise that that is a quater of the entire league? and if we are to be a top four team we need to match the top 3, not sit here saying that it is all about how you look at yourselves. The point is we have £200,000 to pay out next year for the World Club game and are still paying for the new stadium. We do not have the money to buy players who arent necessarily needed.
Btw, I couldnt quote as we exceeded the 5 maximum
The new stadium is free?

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Post by LeagueLeaders » 26 Aug 2017, 20:56

TT Tiger wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote:Yes but they developed into a highly supported team and you aint gonna do that if you go out buying big named players in positions that arent a priority at the moment. Also, we aint a big club yet. At the wakefield game we had 11 thousand or something like that, Leeds get more than that in just home fans at games that dont even matter to them. Plus, you say other than Leeds, Wigan and Hull. Do you not realise that that is a quater of the entire league? and if we are to be a top four team we need to match the top 3, not sit here saying that it is all about how you look at yourselves. The point is we have £200,000 to pay out next year for the World Club game and are still paying for the new stadium. We do not have the money to buy players who arent necessarily needed.
Btw, I couldnt quote as we exceeded the 5 maximum
The new stadium is free?
Oh I didnt know that hah. Well still, the stadium wont be ready for another few years so that increase in fans that was mentioned wont happen for a while. Therefore, money is still precious and wont be coming easily. Great recovery from me there haha

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Post by Aid » 26 Aug 2017, 21:02

TheSheriff wrote:
HuddsTigers wrote:
TheSheriff wrote:
LeagueLeaders wrote: We are not in need of props!
Patrick, Massey and Maher being listed shows there's quite a decent need for a prop. That's quite a substantial drop off from the likes of Millington, Cook & Moors. They are decent enough players but if there's better available, you get better.
Are you really bagging Patrick and Massey, who are both props? Massey has been one of our more improved and consistent performers this season.

Patrick has done more than Springer has in his games too. Or is this just your personal angst against them?
They're all average players, they're fine but when there's better available why not get better? Having players like that as squad players is, however, excellent.
Nathan Massey has played over 150 Super League games, the majority of them under Daryll Powell, widely recognised as the best coach in the game. This season Massey has appeared 23 times for the league champions. Pray tell me why Powell would continue to constantly play an average player?
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