Wakey to get new ground maybe
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Is there any truth in the rumour that Nicholas van hoogstraten is going to be Waky's next major sponsor.
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It hurts that the small town side tops the city club. Even when they were doing well under Kear they couldn't convince more of the locals off their bar stools and to the ground over a weekend. Their fans never seem to blame these people for their woes.
Council will save them at the 11th hour.
Council will save them at the 11th hour.
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What are you talking about? The fans ought to blame who?duke street 10 wrote:It hurts that the small town side tops the city club. Even when they were doing well under Kear they couldn't convince more of the locals off their bar stools and to the ground over a weekend. Their fans never seem to blame these people for their woes.
Council will save them at the 11th hour.
As for the council saving us. They won't, they've sat on their hands for so long I'm surprised they're not numb.
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The only way the council could save Wakey would be to loan the money for the stadium and make them pay it back gradually. 12 million would do it but there would be uproar when you look at the recent closures of golf courses and swimming baths.
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Apathy of the general Wakefield public. face it most don't give a wotsit if you relocated or even folded.JIN JER wrote:What are you talking about? The fans ought to blame who?duke street 10 wrote:It hurts that the small town side tops the city club. Even when they were doing well under Kear they couldn't convince more of the locals off their bar stools and to the ground over a weekend. Their fans never seem to blame these people for their woes.
Council will save them at the 11th hour.
As for the council saving us. They won't, they've sat on their hands for so long I'm surprised they're not numb.
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And what is that to do with getting a new ground? How many SL clubs have had a ground built on the back of an extra 3,000 speccis? It's all about investment, that tends to come from wealthy owners or good will from councils, as far as I'm aware no club has built a ground based on it's income from gates.
As for your last post, that's as stupidly childish as posters on our forum dragging your club into our farce. Thought you were better than that to be honest duke street.
As for your last post, that's as stupidly childish as posters on our forum dragging your club into our farce. Thought you were better than that to be honest duke street.
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Im having a bad day..should have thought betterJIN JER wrote:And what is that to do with getting a new ground? How many SL clubs have had a ground built on the back of an extra 3,000 speccis? It's all about investment, that tends to come from wealthy owners or good will from councils, as far as I'm aware no club has built a ground based on it's income from gates.
As for your last post, that's as stupidly childish as posters on our forum dragging your club into our farce. Thought you were better than that to be honest duke street.
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mc has been on radio today.
he's meeting with rfl tomorrow to ask for short term dispensation but has no long term plan.
re-vamp of belle vue is off the table.
only way forward is Newmarket and only way that can be achieved is by the council borrowing £10 million.
mc is happy to pay the interest but then wants the council to chase yorkcourt for the £10 million.
it just seems like we are going over the same ground all the time without any thing new happening.
if York court won't finance the building of the stadium why would they bother to pay the council £10 million.
it just seems to me like brinksmanship again from mc (although that seems to be all he's got left) and eventually people will stop listening.
he's meeting with rfl tomorrow to ask for short term dispensation but has no long term plan.
re-vamp of belle vue is off the table.
only way forward is Newmarket and only way that can be achieved is by the council borrowing £10 million.
mc is happy to pay the interest but then wants the council to chase yorkcourt for the £10 million.
it just seems like we are going over the same ground all the time without any thing new happening.
if York court won't finance the building of the stadium why would they bother to pay the council £10 million.
it just seems to me like brinksmanship again from mc (although that seems to be all he's got left) and eventually people will stop listening.
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Can see WMDC saying to Wakefield groundshare at Cas if I'm honest.
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I can't see the council lending Wakey that kind of money personally as they have no assets to guarantee against it. What if they have a bad season next year and end up getting relegated. Sky money gone, not enough punters through the turnstiles to pay the wages to stay full time let alone paying off a 10 million quid loan. No bank in the world would lend them it so why should the council?
I think the best option for them would be to take up Fevs offer, and play at Post Office road.
I really do feel for Carter because he seems a really good Honest bloke who speaks eloquently and from the heart. He deserves better and I genuinely hope they can get something sorted. I always enjoy the Wakey derby games.
I think the best option for them would be to take up Fevs offer, and play at Post Office road.
I really do feel for Carter because he seems a really good Honest bloke who speaks eloquently and from the heart. He deserves better and I genuinely hope they can get something sorted. I always enjoy the Wakey derby games.
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wmdc will no way lend wakey any ammount they have had massive cut backs from central goverment
my grandpa got free carelink he as now been charged by council 3-25 a week [aged 90]
we having to pay extra on council tax for social care ....were is this 10 million to come from .
wmdc are cutting to the bone .....the begging bowl can no longer be used wakey have had more than there share over years..
my grandpa got free carelink he as now been charged by council 3-25 a week [aged 90]
we having to pay extra on council tax for social care ....were is this 10 million to come from .
wmdc are cutting to the bone .....the begging bowl can no longer be used wakey have had more than there share over years..
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Wakefield have a long running history of failing to pay bills, so why would you trust them to pay the bills for the council?
Wakefield council have no money as it is and have much better things to spend the money on. Let alone taking out a loan on a private venture!
The city of Wakefield has a population of 75k-ish and of that there's what, 3k? Season ticket holders for Trinity...So it's NOT in the interest of the city to spend that money.
There is currently 1 other stadium in the district fit for purpose they could move into (Fev) and a second on the way (Cas), Wakefield Trinity as a private company should explore renting either of those instead of asking for public funding for something the vast majority of the council district and the city itself simply does not care about.
Carter is just getting desperate and is playing up to the mob on RLfans who think Peter Box is on some one man crusade to liquidate the club, when he rightly tells them to get lost he can just got "see, councils fault we have no Super League club!" despite them not exploring the actual viable options.
Wakefield council have no money as it is and have much better things to spend the money on. Let alone taking out a loan on a private venture!
The city of Wakefield has a population of 75k-ish and of that there's what, 3k? Season ticket holders for Trinity...So it's NOT in the interest of the city to spend that money.
There is currently 1 other stadium in the district fit for purpose they could move into (Fev) and a second on the way (Cas), Wakefield Trinity as a private company should explore renting either of those instead of asking for public funding for something the vast majority of the council district and the city itself simply does not care about.
Carter is just getting desperate and is playing up to the mob on RLfans who think Peter Box is on some one man crusade to liquidate the club, when he rightly tells them to get lost he can just got "see, councils fault we have no Super League club!" despite them not exploring the actual viable options.
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the more you think about it the more complicated/absurd it gets.
just as a layman it sounds as if mc is saying its easier for wmdc to borrow the money than wakey/mc.
but who are they borrowing the money from? do they go to the banks and say "can we borrow £10 million from you to build a stadium for wakefield trinity and they'll pay us the interest whilst we try and re-coup the £10 million"
if you were a financial institution would you lend any one money on those terms? probably not.
just as a layman it sounds as if mc is saying its easier for wmdc to borrow the money than wakey/mc.
but who are they borrowing the money from? do they go to the banks and say "can we borrow £10 million from you to build a stadium for wakefield trinity and they'll pay us the interest whilst we try and re-coup the £10 million"
if you were a financial institution would you lend any one money on those terms? probably not.
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Regardless of what cuts WMDC may be making they are legally obliged to hold a 'reserve' that equates to a percentage of their overall income. I'm not sure it would cover £10 mill though?
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Re: Wakey to get new ground maybe
It's a reserve for absolute and unforeseen emergencies which could effectively bankrupt the organisation. The Auditors wouldn't include lending £10 to bail out a third party as an appropriate use of that reserve
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And amazingly Carter has said on their forum what does it matter if it's never paid back as long as the interest is paid! I'm pretty sure whoever lends the money would like it paying back over an agreed period of time as well as the interest, thats how loans tend to work!lurcher wrote:the more you think about it the more complicated/absurd it gets.
just as a layman it sounds as if mc is saying its easier for wmdc to borrow the money than wakey/mc.
but who are they borrowing the money from? do they go to the banks and say "can we borrow £10 million from you to build a stadium for wakefield trinity and they'll pay us the interest whilst we try and re-coup the £10 million"
if you were a financial institution would you lend any one money on those terms? probably not.
Also if the council are doling out £10 million loans to speed up developments being built then claiming it back from the developer after the event then they better have another loan lined up for us as well. Plus the £2 million contribution. Fairs fair and all that.
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Re: Wakey to get new ground maybe
Wheldon Road despite a lick of paint and a few cosmetic tweaks is still a relic from a bygone age,personally l love the old girl and will be sad when we finally leave.
As will many visiting speccies but times change.
Belle Vue is in a worse state but as long as it meets health and safety requirements l do not really care l only go once or maybe
twice a year for a couple of hours at a time.
I would hate to see a team which is delivering on the field relegated for not having soft toilet tissue(joke,l was going to say tongue in cheek but that would be open to misinterpretation.)
I do find it somewhat tedious the way an unelected body at Redhall oversee our game.
Bradford won trophies galore whilst living beyond their means time after time despite a so called compliance body ensuring accountability.
We were relegated when Wigan went over the salary cap.
Heart land clubs are left to flounder whislt the expansionist agenda is persued.
Lets make sure our foundations are sound.
We were vociferous enough when mergers were on the table and concerned when the franchise system seemed to have an agenda to do us down.
We talk of our sport as a family sport so has the family been consulted by the despots at Redhall who's ever decision is beyond question.
I do not see them offering a mechanism for anyone to question them or the officials in fact they fine them if the do.
I don't have an answer to The Wakefield situation but for me expulsion is not the answer.
(Old fashioned me still prefers the old grounds to the characterless concrete edifices)
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As will many visiting speccies but times change.
Belle Vue is in a worse state but as long as it meets health and safety requirements l do not really care l only go once or maybe
twice a year for a couple of hours at a time.
I would hate to see a team which is delivering on the field relegated for not having soft toilet tissue(joke,l was going to say tongue in cheek but that would be open to misinterpretation.)
I do find it somewhat tedious the way an unelected body at Redhall oversee our game.
Bradford won trophies galore whilst living beyond their means time after time despite a so called compliance body ensuring accountability.
We were relegated when Wigan went over the salary cap.
Heart land clubs are left to flounder whislt the expansionist agenda is persued.
Lets make sure our foundations are sound.
We were vociferous enough when mergers were on the table and concerned when the franchise system seemed to have an agenda to do us down.
We talk of our sport as a family sport so has the family been consulted by the despots at Redhall who's ever decision is beyond question.
I do not see them offering a mechanism for anyone to question them or the officials in fact they fine them if the do.
I don't have an answer to The Wakefield situation but for me expulsion is not the answer.
(Old fashioned me still prefers the old grounds to the characterless concrete edifices)
C.O.Y.F.
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Well said, agree with every word.casjunction wrote:Wheldon Road despite a lick of paint and a few cosmetic tweaks is still a relic from a bygone age,personally l love the old girl and will be sad when we finally leave.
As will many visiting speccies but times change.
Belle Vue is in a worse state but as long as it meets health and safety requirements l do not really care l only go once or maybe
twice a year for a couple of hours at a time.
I would hate to see a team which is delivering on the field relegated for not having soft toilet tissue(joke,l was going to say tongue in cheek but that would be open to misinterpretation.)
I do find it somewhat tedious the way an unelected body at Redhall oversee our game.
Bradford won trophies galore whilst living beyond their means time after time despite a so called compliance body ensuring accountability.
We were relegated when Wigan went over the salary cap.
Heart land clubs are left to flounder whislt the expansionist agenda is persued.
Lets make sure our foundations are sound.
We were vociferous enough when mergers were on the table and concerned when the franchise system seemed to have an agenda to do us down.
We talk of our sport as a family sport so has the family been consulted by the despots at Redhall who's ever decision is beyond question.
I do not see them offering a mechanism for anyone to question them or the officials in fact they fine them if the do.
I don't have an answer to The Wakefield situation but for me expulsion is not the answer.
(Old fashioned me still prefers the old grounds to the characterless concrete edifices)
C.O.Y.F.
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get the council to borrow 12million from the bank and agree to pay the interest on the loan so a new ground can be built ,is that the plan ? im no brainbox but if i was on the council being asked this my first thought would be if the club get relegated in the coming years im going to be stuck with a 12 million pound loan to repay
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:clap:casjunction wrote:Wheldon Road despite a lick of paint and a few cosmetic tweaks is still a relic from a bygone age,personally l love the old girl and will be sad when we finally leave.
As will many visiting speccies but times change.
Belle Vue is in a worse state but as long as it meets health and safety requirements l do not really care l only go once or maybe
twice a year for a couple of hours at a time.
I would hate to see a team which is delivering on the field relegated for not having soft toilet tissue(joke,l was going to say tongue in cheek but that would be open to misinterpretation.)
I do find it somewhat tedious the way an unelected body at Redhall oversee our game.
Bradford won trophies galore whilst living beyond their means time after time despite a so called compliance body ensuring accountability.
We were relegated when Wigan went over the salary cap.
Heart land clubs are left to flounder whislt the expansionist agenda is persued.
Lets make sure our foundations are sound.
We were vociferous enough when mergers were on the table and concerned when the franchise system seemed to have an agenda to do us down.
We talk of our sport as a family sport so has the family been consulted by the despots at Redhall who's ever decision is beyond question.
I do not see them offering a mechanism for anyone to question them or the officials in fact they fine them if the do.
I don't have an answer to The Wakefield situation but for me expulsion is not the answer.
(Old fashioned me still prefers the old grounds to the characterless concrete edifices)
C.O.Y.F.
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