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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 18 Jan 2018, 12:42

JIN JER wrote:
mart0042 wrote:I find it strange that a club with the begging bowl out for a new ground and in reality owns nothing but the players contracts.


How about saving money and try to fund a ground at least in part? Put the money into bricks and mortar not dreams. Stop waiting for people to help you and help yourselves.
So those two paragraphs aren't having a pop, really?
Leeds United put money into the playing squad but failed to buy back the ground and training facilities. They owned nothing but the players. When the preverbial hit the fan they went bust and making more companies bust at the same time.

My point is, on a Cas forum, we made the decision on a financial basis.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Spanishtiger » 19 Jan 2018, 00:24

I'd say that most of the people who post on here are of a certain age and remember the old Slalom Lager Alliance League for 'A' teams. The difference is that these days the players in each team's squad are full time training 5 times a week which gives the coaches plenty of chances to evaluate fringe players in any situation which they wish to contrive.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by The Firm » 19 Jan 2018, 08:21

Running a reserve team should be compulsary but whilst it isn’t it’s a bit of a pointless waste of money from Wakey as they’ve hardly anyone to play. Hats off to them for giving it a go but i think they'll find themselves frustrated as even some of the games they think they will play will get cancelled.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 19 Jan 2018, 10:52

It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 11:29

mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by mart0042 » 19 Jan 2018, 12:37

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mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.
They've been a godsend. Now they are getting the club a new ground and still own WR. They ain't bad. Speculate to accumulate and all that.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by lurcher » 19 Jan 2018, 12:48

vasty has said on numerous occasions that he hates every thing cas which tends to give all his posts regarding us a lack of credibility as they are always going to be biased. its amazing how much time he seems to spend reading this forum. hiya vasty. ;)
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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 13:00

mart0042 wrote:
JIN JER wrote:
mart0042 wrote:It will be interesting to see how beneficial it is for the players and the bank books

Whilst we are getting match fit players experience back with some of not all their salary back. These teams won't. If they make money hand over fist, it maybe a good idea but Wigan are losing 400k a year when they win a trophy.

We are relying on the build at gh to get us a stadium but if it didn't come off we will have wr that is saleable to build a new ground or go towards it plus any profit.

Wakey and Wigan rent and have nothing in reserve but relying on owners deep pockets. If they aren't deep, then it's borrowing with personal collateralor against the business. You don't get good rates that way.

Good luck to them both by I'm happy that sg and the board know what they are doing
I'm pleased for you, it's awfull relying on owners with deep pockets, I bet the Fulton family are happy that they've never had to bail you out.
They've been a godsend. Now they are getting the club a new ground and still own WR. They ain't bad. Speculate to accumulate and all that.
What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 14:07

What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?
The Fultons (Ian and Janet) are "the Club". They own well over 50% of CTRLFC and Ian is now our Chairman. I don't know what you are trying to dig at here Jinjer. Just come out with it if something is narking you about our set-up and the new stadium.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by JIN JER » 19 Jan 2018, 15:53

Tigerade wrote:
What have the Fultons done regarding the new ground? Thought it was the club and Lateral that had weaved their magic?
The Fultons (Ian and Janet) are "the Club". They own well over 50% of CTRLFC and Ian is now our Chairman. I don't know what you are trying to dig at here Jinjer. Just come out with it if something is narking you about our set-up and the new stadium.
You appear to be the narked one here, get off your high horse, I simply asked what the family had done regards the new ground, I didn't realise they were still involved.
I don't do digs, I'll leave that to you and Mart.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 18:48

I don't do digs, I'll leave that to you and Mart.
That's our prerogative. I'll remind you that you are on a Castleford Tigers fan's forum.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Dez » 19 Jan 2018, 19:18

Would there ever be enough quality or possible quality players for every team to run a reserve team also surely the championship quality would also be lower .

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Dez » 19 Jan 2018, 19:21

Would there ever be enough players of a quality or possible quality for all teams to run a reserve team also the championship quality would also be lower standerd with the players left

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 19 Jan 2018, 20:37

The player pool isn't big enough Dez for that, you would need about 60% to 70% of the current academy players to "double-up" into the U23 (reserves) competition. It is do-able but the majority of SL would prefer to have dual-reg like we do with Halifax. There is a good insight for the current state of the reserves comp' here from ex-Wigan player Nick Gregson....

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/le ... es-system/

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by fast hands » 19 Jan 2018, 21:05

Remember the days', when it was 1st team, A team, and just Colts. No academies, and all local teams had an under 17 team, no u/8s upward. Just if you were good enough you got to play in the school team. No false dawns for kids and parents bickering about why their youngster only played 10 minutes, upsetting their sons' along the way.
Oh yes the good old days.

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by lurcher » 19 Jan 2018, 21:20

ha ha, back in the day when there were no contracts the A teams were a different item all together. a lot of the players were ex 1st teamers who just played for their beer money because when they were past it for the 1st team they couldn't drop down a division and there were cliques at some clubs where the old players begrudged an up and coming youngster taking their beer money. woe betide any one who wasn't a mate of the dummy half or you wouldn't get a pass all game.
on the other hand when floodlights were a bit of a novelty, cas regularly pulled in gates of 3,000 plus for Friday night A team games.
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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by TT Tiger » 20 Jan 2018, 01:49

Under 21 with 3 open age players seemed to work well 18 is too young to cut adrift and returning players need a run out

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by Tigerade » 03 May 2018, 18:14

One of the many reserve games cancelled this season tomorrow - Wigan Vs Wakey due to Wakey's withdrawl. how many games have they got in this season ? Is it still worth 50K a season to run a reserve grade team ?

http://www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... -cancelled

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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by lurcher » 04 May 2018, 17:04

jon wells is very passionate about running a cas A team next year. but only if a lot of other teams enter to make it a worthwhile competition. he doesn't want to be playing the same few teams over and over.
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Re: wakefield to run reserve grade

Post by lurcher » 04 May 2018, 17:06

Tigerade wrote:One of the many reserve games cancelled this season tomorrow - Wigan Vs Wakey due to Wakey's withdrawl. how many games have they got in this season ? Is it still worth 50K a season to run a reserve grade team ?

http://www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... -cancelled
seems a shame really. wonder if they would be allowed to borrow players from other clubs that aren't getting games in the first team.
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