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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 11 Jul 2018, 16:45

alftupper wrote:... If the British public are stupid enough to vote that lot in we deserve everything that’s coming.
In the same way those that voted for Brexit deserve what they'll get. You cannot defend the democratic right in one vote and then suggest another one is wrong - if Labour get in then they deserve to run the government
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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Flat Capper wrote:
alftupper wrote:... If the British public are stupid enough to vote that lot in we deserve everything that’s coming.
You cannot defend the democratic right in one vote and then suggest another one is wrong
Ey? Who suggested the democratic process was wrong? I’m simply saying idiots who vote Labour are wrong in their muddled thinking (no offence)

They have every right to vote

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by WF10 » 12 Jul 2018, 11:20

alftupper wrote:The country will pay a heavy price if Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry not to mention the rest of the light weight Labour front bench get into power. My god they used to point to Venezuela as a model of socialist success, it’s a basket case just as we will be. If the British public are stupid enough to vote that lot in we deserve everything that’s coming.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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alftupper wrote:
Flat Capper wrote:
alftupper wrote:... If the British public are stupid enough to vote that lot in we deserve everything that’s coming.
You cannot defend the democratic right in one vote and then suggest another one is wrong
Ey? Who suggested the democratic process was wrong? I’m simply saying idiots who vote Labour are wrong in their muddled thinking (no offence)

They have every right to vote
And the idiots who voted for Brexit are now getting what they deserve.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 12 Jul 2018, 13:09

Flatcapper - you must be one of those people that needs looking after by establishments and unprepared to have the nuts and drive to venture out to build a free from interference better future - so, no drive and determination, no preparedness to take on new ways and sat on your backside happy with your lot !!

If it wasn't for people like Francis Drake and Walter Raleigh prepared to venture out and build this country back in the distant past we would be nothing - and you "stick at home happy with your lot principles" would be sat in a mud hut by now !

Grow some for God's sake ! - Are you a man or a mouse ! - I suggest giving you the cheese already ! People like you who aren't prepared to get out there and have no ambition are "deadwood" who leech off other peoples hard work - Brexit is a stepping stone to bigger things and you people thinking that staying in the EU where we are pawns to the machine is ok ??? You need a to get a brain that's half decent !

I was one of 6 kids brought up in the 50s/60s and not a 1/2p to scratch my own backside and I have built a good living through hard work - it shames me to see people round the area unprepared to go out and work hard and would rather spend their dole money on fags and booze all day and brainwashed by Labour and can't think outside the box !

Brexit is a major opportunity for hard working people to exploit the massive opportunities coming in new tech sciences, anti pollution and new power methods around the world - you remoaners are very short sighted ! If you don't move with the times you will get left behind - nothing lasts forever and the EU is already falling apart !

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by Flat Capper » 12 Jul 2018, 16:09

You have no idea who I am or what I am capable of. I have had to battle people like you all my life; people who are happy to exploit the weak and vulnerable.

I fought the bullies at school and won.

I stand up against those that seek to avoid regulation, the people who cut corners, the people who stick plastic to the outside of buildings in the hope they can make an extra few quid, the so called entrepreneurs.

Now I agree there are those that seek to sit on their backsides and wait for handouts but I treat them with the same disdain that I treat the greedy businessmen. At the end of the day they both want everything for nothing.

It is the true working man that put this country where it was, the coal miner, the steel worker, the farmer. The people who the rich simply believe should be grateful for having a job. These are the people who will be even more detrimentally affected by Brexit as your so called 'brave' will up sticks and leave our battered shores the cowards.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

Post by CasRus » 12 Jul 2018, 17:56

Flatcapper - I'm glad you have responded in the way you have and agree with what outlook and opinions you have. Sorry for

There are rich business people exploiting for a fast buck who need weedling out by law and companies not paying tax which they also need fining and loopholes need to be closed to stop this. Totally agree your points and acknowledge you agree to some of our less well off brethren milking the system and not prepared to work hard in a fair manner at the other end of society.

Staying in the EU being controlled by Brussels influenced in the background by Germany is not and will not get our country into shape - The EU is ready to collapse and if you think by staying in the EU paying our £350M is worth it I would think again as it will jump to £500M very soon to bail out the Greece/Former Soviet countries, Italy and the like.

Science and Technology is rapidly changing around the world and we need to be free and on it to get into this as the EU has enormous red tape issues. I Don't believe either the likes of Airbus or any business aligned with the EU on frightening our workforce as Boeing for example are chomping at the bit if Airbus leaves which they won't as it would cost millions to move.

Best Gambit in getting a good deal would have to just announce we are leaving under WTO rules right from the off and had the EU stuttering and offering rather than the other way round but panicking remoaners have shot the legs from underneath May already now but she should have come from that position this past year and stuck to it anyway - Foolishness all round from different corners have cost us dearly in getting a good deal ! Wish I was playing Poker with the Houses of Parliament as they would be mortgaging it by now !!!

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Post by CasRus » 12 Jul 2018, 17:57

Flatcapper - I'm glad you have responded in the way you have and agree with what outlook and opinions you have. Sorry for having a go earlier and not specifically intended personally.

There are rich business people exploiting for a fast buck who need weedling out by law and companies not paying tax which they also need fining and loopholes need to be closed to stop this. Totally agree your points and acknowledge you agree to some of our less well off brethren milking the system and not prepared to work hard in a fair manner at the other end of society.

Staying in the EU being controlled by Brussels influenced in the background by Germany is not and will not get our country into shape - The EU is ready to collapse and if you think by staying in the EU paying our £350M is worth it I would think again as it will jump to £500M very soon to bail out the Greece/Former Soviet countries, Italy and the like.

Science and Technology is rapidly changing around the world and we need to be free and on it to get into this as the EU has enormous red tape issues. I Don't believe either the likes of Airbus or any business aligned with the EU on frightening our workforce as Boeing for example are chomping at the bit if Airbus leaves which they won't as it would cost millions to move.

Best Gambit in getting a good deal would have to just announce we are leaving under WTO rules right from the off and had the EU stuttering and offering rather than the other way round but panicking remoaners have shot the legs from underneath May already now but she should have come from that position this past year and stuck to it anyway - Foolishness all round from different corners have cost us dearly in getting a good deal ! Wish I was playing Poker with the Houses of Parliament as they would be mortgaging it by now !!!

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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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Whilst I don't agree with the referendum result I do agree that it's time to stop moaning about the type of exit. Not for the same reasons as you but because the referendum was simply a vote of whether to remain in the EU.

This vague ballot is now open to multiple interpretations but ultimately, if we legally leave the EU the ballot result has been upheld, even if it does come with baggage. This is what should have been made clearer during the ballot but the ballot questions were a typical governmental fudge and these never achieve anything.

I firmly remain under the belief we should have kept our seat at the EU table and driven change for the benefit of all its member states. The opportunity to undermine the German state who is in a position of no strength at the moment would have been the ideal opportunity to seek fairer funding deals, reduce bureaucracy and amend the various common policies on food, agriculture and fishing.

Unfortunately we've thrown our teddy out of the cot and will be left to play by rules we have no input on. Something I'm sure no one voted for.
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Post by CasRus » 13 Jul 2018, 13:43

Flat Capper wrote:Whilst I don't agree with the referendum result I do agree that it's time to stop moaning about the type of exit. Not for the same reasons as you but because the referendum was simply a vote of whether to remain in the EU.

This vague ballot is now open to multiple interpretations but ultimately, if we legally leave the EU the ballot result has been upheld, even if it does come with baggage. This is what should have been made clearer during the ballot but the ballot questions were a typical governmental fudge and these never achieve anything.

I firmly remain under the belief we should have kept our seat at the EU table and driven change for the benefit of all its member states. The opportunity to undermine the German state who is in a position of no strength at the moment would have been the ideal opportunity to seek fairer funding deals, reduce bureaucracy and amend the various common policies on food, agriculture and fishing.

Unfortunately we've thrown our teddy out of the cot and will be left to play by rules we have no input on. Something I'm sure no one voted for.

Whats the difference about voting "to "Remain in the EU" or voting out - it's the same ?????

We don't need EU rules, we will be sovereign to do exactly what we want - why stay in the EU arguing the toss over years and years of red tape that they have tied us up in !!!

We don't need to undermine anyone - we would be FREE !! Let them wallow in their antiquated rules and then find out that the free and sleek UK economy out of their control thrives ! the USA (like Trump or not !) is absolutely BOOMING ! Staying in the EU will have us miss the boat ! India, Pakistan and rest of Asia are moving into the 21st Century with business, engineering and building projects - EU will be small fry compared to what is emerging out there and we have the nous to get in on this given the chance !

I am sorry to say that some of you out there have led too sheltered lives and cannot think outside the box and full of worries that stifle our ability to grow strong.

What a total shame !!

Again I say to all, are we men to "Boldly GO" or are we mice waiting for the EU to feed us scraps of cheese !

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Flat Capper wrote:Whilst I don't agree with the referendum result I do agree that it's time to stop moaning about the type of exit. Not for the same reasons as you but because the referendum was simply a vote of whether to remain in the EU.

This vague ballot is now open to multiple interpretations but ultimately, if we legally leave the EU the ballot result has been upheld, even if it does come with baggage. This is what should have been made clearer during the ballot but the ballot questions were a typical governmental fudge and these never achieve anything.

I firmly remain under the belief we should have kept our seat at the EU table and driven change for the benefit of all its member states. The opportunity to undermine the German state who is in a position of no strength at the moment would have been the ideal opportunity to seek fairer funding deals, reduce bureaucracy and amend the various common policies on food, agriculture and fishing.

Unfortunately we've thrown our teddy out of the cot and will be left to play by rules we have no input on. Something I'm sure no one voted for.

I.ve just been Watching Trump and May outside Chequers and Trump calls everything how he sees it and is not afraid to speak out what most people think anyway. Like him or not, he is our best hope for us and for the rest of the world to sort out all world issues. That press interview in my mind was absolutely brilliant and all those "Labour" (a la Sadiq Khan !) driven protesters in London should hang their heads in shame in trying to ridicule Trump - he is our best shot by a country mile to get this world sorted out !!


Whats the difference about voting "to "Remain in the EU" or voting out - it's the same ?????

We don't need EU rules, we will be sovereign to do exactly what we want - why stay in the EU arguing the toss over years and years of red tape that they have tied us up in !!!

We don't need to undermine anyone - we would be FREE !! Let them wallow in their antiquated rules and then find out that the free and sleek UK economy out of their control thrives ! the USA (like Trump or not !) is absolutely BOOMING ! Staying in the EU will have us miss the boat ! India, Pakistan and rest of Asia are moving into the 21st Century with business, engineering and building projects - EU will be small fry compared to what is emerging out there and we have the nous to get in on this given the chance !

I am sorry to say that some of you out there have led too sheltered lives and cannot think outside the box and full of worries that stifle our ability to grow strong.

What a total shame !!

Again I say to all, are we men to "Boldly GO" or are we mice waiting for the EU to feed us scraps of cheese !

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Post by Flat Capper » 13 Jul 2018, 16:37

I'm intrigued by your comparison to Trump who you feel is the way forward for the world. He operates on a do as I say and not as I do attitude. This makes negotiating trade deal with him very difficult unless your happy to accept ALL of his terms. According to figures o Breakfast News this week, the UK has an annual trading surplus of £40bn with the US and good old Donald doesn't like it. He wants to change that to a more equal trading deal that will only benefit the US.

I find it strange that the collective agreements with the EU are viewed as being dictated to yet the bully boy Trump isn't a dictator????

A close, productive working relationship with Europe brings huge reward for this country. The collective bargaining tool of the EU also prevents us from being dictated to by the likes of Trump. The reason so many world nations are suggesting a willingness to talk to us about trade is because they can drive a harder bargain for the goods we WANT off them.

Yes, we can go out and sell to the world but it is likely to come at a hefty price.

This is not me being a negative, remoaning, loony left but a realism of the economics involved.
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The UK does 18% trade with the USA and here we have over 100,000 Labour led protesters giving it large in London ! You are right about the 40B trade surplus we have with the USA, so why have we got these yo yo's protesting ? They have not got a scooby doo !! Talking about kicking a gift horse in the mouth - that takes the biscuit !

I know which side I would be on and it aint the EU riven with bankrupt countries which our large donation keeps bailing them out ! Who's the idiots here ?? Huge reward ? It's costing us £350M a week soon set to go up ! give me a break !

Trump is now standing up to the vast differentials that they pay to NATO and the obscene Tariffs they have to swallow for their cars going into the EU while the EU are much less going the other way etc - I do not blame him ! If you say that is bullying, I don't ! He is being shrewd and business like for a much fairer deal than what the American people have been getting for so many years !

The world has been taking the mick out of America for years be it the EU or China - He says what he sees and thinks and that's being honest - If you look at his Chequers press interview today and take it in, he isn't the bully boy you think he is - he wants fair play, fair trade and would even push for free trade all over - That's what he said !

Just because he is ruffling feathers it's been a long time coming as we are sleepwalking into total disaster ! He's right about Germany in hock to Russia over the Gas Pipeline pumping billions into their economy - why aren't Germany striking a deal with Norway as they have plenty !

Obama said if we go ahead with Brexit we would be at the back of the queue ! Contrast that with Trump today wanting a bigger trade and special relationship - now who is the elephant in the room ? It aint Trump ! and here we have all these Labour led protesters in London childishly flying an [Cut out the swearing] Blimp !! Brain Dead Labour people !!

Yes Trump is marmite on what he says - at least he gets people talking and responding and starting to think with his shock statements and tweets which are best of times controversial - that's the way he is but you can't take away the fact that he has got the American economy booming with huge job creation. At least they won't be following a Labour "songs of praise" advocated Venezuela model - look what's happened there ! Braindead Labour !

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The Labour leader wants Brexit and is pushing for it. And he's right to. People voted for it, so it should be delivered.

So I'm not sure how the protests are 'Labour led'?
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Funny that about the Trump protests not being Labour led - you will see Corbyn’s mugshot at those very same protests in London in the newspapers tomorrow ! All might I add mainly arranged and orchestrated by that disgraceful Labour London mayor.

And that smug faced Emily Thornburry criticising May for Trump taking hold of her hand - that is about the standard of childishness along with that Labour Mayor driven Blimp which just about sums up the calibre of Labour’s in its cat calling childishness ! Like kids in a Playground - is that really who you want running this country !

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I thought you meant protests over Brexit were Labour led.

I assume Corbyn disagrees with the Trump philosophy of 'bomb first, investigate later'.
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Re: Jeremy Corbyn new Labour leader Lol

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WF10 wrote:
I assume Corbyn disagrees with the Trump philosophy of 'bomb first, investigate later'.
It can’t be that, he was friends with the IRA when they were bombing innocent men, women and children

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alftupper wrote:
WF10 wrote:
I assume Corbyn disagrees with the Trump philosophy of 'bomb first, investigate later'.
It can’t be that, he was friends with the IRA when they were bombing innocent men, women and children
At roughly the same time in history as the USA and the United Kingdom supported the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

Funny ol' world innit?
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